Mr bates v the Post Office

[Rita_Poon]

Net closing in here. Naming names, lies to parliament. Evidence tampering. Someone big is going to fall here.

 

[arch stanton]

Net closing in here. Naming names, lies to parliament. Evidence tampering. Someone big is going to fall here.

reaches for popcorn...

 

[mccole]

Net closing in here. Naming names, lies to parliament. Evidence tampering. Someone big is going to fall here.

Corbyn it is

 

[Rita_Poon]

Only way I can see this getting any worse now is if the accounts were being altered on purpose knowingly to stitch up post masters and then receive reward for snaring a villain. I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out so.

 

[PhilM]

Only way I can see this getting any worse now is if the accounts were being altered on purpose knowingly to stitch up post masters and then receive reward for snaring a villain. I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out so.

Fraud by false representation.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Fraud by false representation.

The perjury is quite clear already. There has to be a 'why'. Was there a 'we need a collar today' attitude explained to the techs that could alter the horizon updates and then put investigators onto a guaranteed lead with a guaranteed evidenced crime* to come through with. "we're all on the same team aren't we, the more successful we are the better we ALL look..."

 

[Rita_Poon]

vennells has had it, does she have enough dirt on those above her to steer clear of prison. Might be the top rung touched sadly.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Zahawi taking aim with a pursuit via corporate manslaughter. Could be interesting.

 

[peteblue]

Zahawi taking aim with a pursuit via corporate manslaughter. Could be interesting.

Good. A few people involved in this should be behind bars…..

 

[arch stanton]

Zahawi taking aim with a pursuit via corporate manslaughter. Could be interesting.

corporate manslaughter is prosecuting the company as its own entity, the individuals involved like Vennels wont haven liability or jeopardy under that. I dont think manslaughter by either gross negligence or unlawful act manslaughter is really in scope either.

I would suspect that perjury and/or perverting the course of justice are the most likely.

 

[Rita_Poon]

corporate manslaughter is prosecuting the company as its own entity, the individuals involved like Vennels wont haven liability or jeopardy under that. I dont think manslaughter by either gross negligence or unlawful act manslaughter is really in scope either.

I would suspect that perjury and/or perverting the course of justice are the most likely.

If it's proven they knew the system was altering accounts
and
If they then knowingly prosecuted absolutely innocent parties
and
Said innocent parties in some cases killed themselves

what scope is there under the law to frame this as criminal fraud and harassment occasioning actual physical harm? (perhaps?)

Some of the poor bar-studs weren't exactly tap dancing into jail all smiles and happiness were they.

 

[arch stanton]

If it's proven they knew the system was altering accounts
and
If they then knowingly prosecuted absolutely innocent parties
and
Said innocent parties in some cases killed themselves

what scope is there under the law to frame this as criminal fraud and harassment occasioning actual physical harm? (perhaps?)

Some of the poor bar-studs weren't exactly tap dancing into jail all smiles and happiness were they.

but that isnt how manslaughter is defined Reets, the first two points fit with Perverting tco Justice, malicious prosecutions, and/or perjury, the deaths would be an aggravating factor for sentencing, but for manslaughter, there would need to be a reasonable apprehension of physical harm as a result of the unlawful act. The suicides resulting would be too far removed from that unlawful act and any defence team would cite other life worries that caused the suicide. It would be a really high evidential bar and the sentence would be the same or very similar (perverting tco Justice is a life sentence max)

its quite while since I did a bit of law but some fit sticks in

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consult.justice.gov.uk

 

[Rita_Poon]

but that isnt how manslaughter is defined Reets, the first two points fit with Perverting tco Justice, malicious prosecutions, and/or perjury, the deaths would be an aggravating factor for sentencing, but for manslaughter, there would need to be a reasonable apprehension of physical harm as a result of the unlawful act. The suicides resulting would be too far removed from that unlawful act and any defence team would cite other life worries that caused the suicide. It would be a really high evidential bar and the sentence would be the same ornery similar (perverting tco Justice is a life sentence max)

its quite while since I did a bit of law but some fit sticks in

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consult.justice.gov.uk

Ta, promise to read link when in a more academic humour, hopefully tomorrow.

 

[arch stanton]

Ta, promise to read link when in a more academic humour, hopefully tomorrow.

as with many legislative text, you have to read it objectively rather than trying to make the circs fit the most 'desirable' offence,

 

[Rita_Poon]

as with many legislative text, you have to read it objectively rather than trying to make the circs fit the most 'desirable' offence,

I wonder, if having been informed of an earlier suicide, that the twits* at the post office continued with their illegal recourse all the same against the next set of victims. There has to be something about 'likelihood of harm' and 'duty of care' in there somewhere.