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I'm not massively in favour of moving stadium, some of it is heart over head stuff because I love Goodison. But whether we can actually afford this stadium is a big question and a fair question.

If we go down and have all these stadium costs then I have no idea how we can remain competitive and try and get out of the championship. If we stay up, then where is the money to overhaul this unbalanced and sub-standard squad. Without structural changes at the top of the club and an overhaul of the squad, even if we are lucky enough to stay up on Sunday, it will still happen sooner rather than later.

But on the flip side if we didn't move we would find it increasingly hard to afford the players to make us competitive. There is no right time to build a stadium and of course some resources will be thrown at it whilst it's being built. Like anything the debt and repayments seem massive and overwhelming at first (just as the park end did when it cost a million back in 94) but overtime this will become less and give us more return.

We just got to hope there is a decent naming partner out there, that covers most if not all of the repayments, anything else we generate will be on positive side of things that will help the club.
 
Talking about how we should have stayed at Goodison or we'd be better off if we did is all a waste of time. What does it matter now? The stadiums more that half complete.

We should be focusing on the future and how the stadium can benefit us and help us rather than bemoaning the fact we didn't stay.

Even if Sunday doesn't work out, I'm more confident with a new Everton at Bramley Moore Dock than a championship side at an old ground with no future infront of us.
 
Talking about how we should have stayed at Goodison or we'd be better off if we did is all a waste of time. What does it matter now? The stadiums more that half complete.

We should be focusing on the future and how the stadium can benefit us and help us rather than bemoaning the fact we didn't stay.

Even if Sunday doesn't work out, I'm more confident with a new Everton at Bramley Moore Dock than a championship side at an old ground with no future infront of us.
It can only benefit us if Moshiri has gone, there has been no evidence over the last 6 or so years that he can run a football club
 

So....... We should put the new stadium on hold until we see some nice football at Goodison?

Odd.
No again another one quoting something I never said, above anything we’re a football team so be nice to have that right first wouldn’t it the actual football side of things. A new ground isn’t going to turn Keane into Maldini is it?
 
Yep my kids pay the mortgage, so it's an effing amazing analogy.

Seriously though, Tom, look we all get you wanted us to stay at Goodison until there was one brick standing due to lack of redevelopment options, you have told us enough in the New Stadium discussion thread.

I prefer more of risk / reward strategy now however, this current 'let's live in the 70's and wait for something to happen' is tiresome now for me, its do or die.

I feel we NEED this new stadium to have any chance of progressing, so as you put it....

"In my opinion, the whole future of our club has been wildly gambled with. Let's hope it pays off." - Yep, sign me up for that please. Let's hope MSP / future investors help us to achieve that with the risk mitigated.
Top post. Very well put. We can't go back in time and redevelop Goodison from the 1990's and we can't move into the King's Dock 20 odd years ago (more's the pity). We are where we are. The only glimmer of hope we have is that someone out there spots our potential and likes the look of our new stadium, to boot.
 
No again another one quoting something I never said, above anything we’re a football team so be nice to have that right first wouldn’t it the actual football side of things. A new ground isn’t going to turn Keane into Maldini is it?
No, but staying at Goodison won't improve any of them, either?

Goodison = a tip. A relic of long faded glories. Doesn't impress any potential signing.

Bramley More gives the club a chance to elevate our profile and therefore work as a driver to improve most the areas you mention.
 
No, but staying at Goodison won't improve any of them, either?

Goodison = a tip. A relic of long faded glories. Doesn't impress any potential signing.

Bramley More gives the club a chance to elevate our profile and therefore work as a driver to improve most the areas you mention.
Yes I agree we have needed a new ground for years, let’s hope you’re right and it gets used right in a commercial aspect by the clowns running us hopefully this new group know what they’re doing.
 

Let’s hope the people running us utilise that.

These people" running it" I say that term loosely, won't utilise it, I promise you that, look at our financial situation, hopefully we have a professional Chairman, CEO and board of Directors in place that will utilise and take advantage of it. Believe me if Kenwright and Co are still pulling the strings it won't make much difference at all.
 
Broad thoughts on MSP

I think there is reason for speculation in relation to the capital this group could invest. Based on their other products it doesnt seem like we will be getting high rolling expenses to really compete at the top end transfer wise. That though is something likely in the majority of prospective buyers. Removed of nation states investing, Thats likely more in our vein. Personally I welcome having not to involve questionable politics as much as possible.

What is interesting though is the level of football investments and where they are. The group has invested interest in Brondby, Augsburg, and Estoril (to the amount I am not sure). Rightfully we would be at the top of that pyramid which could be a good thing. Quick glance at those squads and they tend to lean younger which likely would aid a more competent model and sell on strategy. More importantly though these are very good markets to have a foothold in in Portugal, Denmark and Germany. Those are some of the best development leagues in Europe. If Everton had an inroads through other MSP investments from said clubs we could be in a very nice position in streamlining recruitment which we have been awful at under Moshiri. Those teams already have a fair bit that could be justified targets for the premier league. Having networks in those leagues would be a huge benefit and or anecdote to large sums likely not being invested in-division.

I am more for a controlling stake obviously then the a minor share. But when an owner has so much of the pie under his name like Moshiri that does become difficult. Let alone the backdrop table wise as this news or negotiation gets out. There are some concerns as well with MSP but at a glance I would prefer them then the status quo and think we coudl do a lot worse.
 
There is no stadium without Moshiri. There is no evidence from the previous 20yrs that any stadium could be delivered by the previous majority shareholder.
So? So what?
There is also no back to back relegation fights, no FFP, no big Sam, no Rafael....etc
 

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