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[Eggs]

Im afraid i cant be rationalle about it, hes a toxic old git and the club he worked for stinks.

….football genius, not sure we’ll see his likes again.

 

[banno]

Ferguson was a good manager but was seriously assisted by his initial spends. Spent more than anyone in his dire years for each season running then the youth (class of 92) just slotted in perfectly. Despite that he was a top manager and had future strategy. He was given the time and money that helped him along the way. Other rich clubs then came to being and then he had serious challenges some of which he negotiated and others he didn't. Personally I believe Pep is superior but he also had the monies. Loathe to say it but you could also put Paisley up there also but yet again he took over a good team with possibly more resources than others. Regardless of Cash you still have to have something about you as a tactician, motivator and strategy

 

[Toffeepot]

Yeah he could be victim of his own success, if he had got them 7th it would of been fine, next job a crack at Europe, but they are going to hate not being able to catch City

They are going to love even challenging city, something we are a million miles away from

 

[Melchizedek]

The main difference being that those clubs were all already high value, high profile and/or cash rich.

Would Man City have ever elevated themselves to their current level under the Glazers....? Not a chance!

They are highly valued because unlike us, the embraced the globalization that came with being in the premier league. We were at about the same level of success when the premier league came about. They leveraged their success into huge marketing deals and made themselves into household names. Bill tried very hard to keep everything in shop and local. People's club, born not manufactured, tourist fans, and all the other rhetoric and look how that turned out.

MSP will try to correct that. They will want Everton to be a global brand. Whether they are able to remains to be seen as the scum 6 have a two decade head start and the P&S rules make sure we can't get to high above our station.

And we all know how Man city did it, we also know that road is closed now. P&S has pulled up the ladder behind City and Chelsea. You can't just spend your way to the top anymore. This should be evident to any Everton fan with the current situation we're in.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

They are highly valued because unlike us, the embraced the globalization that came with being in the premier league. We were at about the same level of success when the premier league came about. They leveraged their success into huge marketing deals and made themselves into household names. Bill tried very hard to keep everything in shop and local. People's club, born not manufactured, tourist fans, and all the other rhetoric and look how that turned out.

MSP will try to correct that. They will want Everton to be a global brand. Whether they are able to remains to be seen as the scum 6 have a two decade head start and the P&S rules make sure we can't get to high above our station.

And we all know how Man city did it, we also know that road is closed now. P&S has pulled up the ladder behind City and Chelsea. You can't just spend your way to the top anymore. This should be evident to any Everton fan with the current situation we're in.

I don't think you can necessarily rule this out for Newcastle yet. Obviously it's not an option for us though.

 

[roydo]

I don't think you can necessarily rule this out for Newcastle yet. Obviously it's not an option for us though.

Indeed. They have just bought a global sport, let alone a mid ranking football club.

 

[Melchizedek]

I don't think you can necessarily rule this out for Newcastle yet. Obviously it's not an option for us though.

Read somewhere recently that they are pretty close to the top of what they can spend right now, but being in champions league and their shady sponsorship will provide enough financial momentum for them to continue to spend more in the future. They still have to stay within the rules, and certainly wouldn't be able to spend like Chelsea did in the previous window.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

You're ignoring Fergusons greatest achievement, as most do.
He won 3 leagues, 4 Scottish Cups and the biggest of them all The Cup Winners Cup with a provincial Scottish Team.
From nowhere he built a team that beat Bayern Munich and Real Madrid...with a group of Scottish Jobbers..
If thats not brave I dont know what is, he didnt need to go anywhere else to prove himself, He already done it before Utd.

now the above makes me sounds like his fanboy, but I hated that Utd team as much as anyone at the time, but his record speaks for itself.

Mate I dominated the SPL with Dundee utd for 10 seasons on Footy man 01/02 with Carl Cort Centre Firework...There was even a Uefa cup win in there,no big deal.

 

[Bez2k2k]

Centre firework hahahahaha

 

[datblygu]

This maybe an unpoular opinion (maybe not on this forum ) but ferguson is overrated in my view.....he was sooo lucky with the class of 92 that its almost unbelievable - i mean he didnt scout or train these players. Maybe he kept them in line with his authotarian ways..but not much else. People say he created the environment, but i say thats BS he was just lucky with an incredibly talented team of youth players.....Everton are lucky if we get one of them every few decades and then someone poaches them... I mean if it was fergusons 'environment' where was the next class of 92.....NADA a few good players drip fed in from then on... but they then had clout to poach players like Rooney from us. On the back of that class of 92 they had massive sucesses with commercials and they had massive clout in the transfer market. I mean if he was so good why did he only win 2 champions leagues in 26 years - lets not blame the european ban i mean he had plenty of opprtunites but bottled it plenty against the best innEurope. Of course in typical ferguson style he would claim.its all fixed for the foreign teams.....BS!!
If he hadnt been so authoritarian, built up the staff around him, not left such a terrible aged squad when he retired perhaps Moyes would have actually had a chance! With all the money they have it shows the wake and mess he left behind for them to still be struggling to come back today - many proven top class manager havent been able to sort his mess out.
Sorry for the excessivley long rant i really hate that club, ferguson and all they stand for! They are the destroyers of good honest football.

Ferguson built two good teams based on youth before joining Man United (at St Mirren and Aberdeen). It's kind of his thing.

 

[Tom Hughes]

They are highly valued because unlike us, the embraced the globalization that came with being in the premier league. We were at about the same level of success when the premier league came about. They leveraged their success into huge marketing deals and made themselves into household names. Bill tried very hard to keep everything in shop and local. People's club, born not manufactured, tourist fans, and all the other rhetoric and look how that turned out.

MSP will try to correct that. They will want Everton to be a global brand. Whether they are able to remains to be seen as the scum 6 have a two decade head start and the P&S rules make sure we can't get to high above our station.

And we all know how Man city did it, we also know that road is closed now. P&S has pulled up the ladder behind City and Chelsea. You can't just spend your way to the top anymore. This should be evident to any Everton fan with the current situation we're in.

No-one is implying that you can just spend your way to the top...... but being able to spend normally helps. Only Leicester have bucked that trend in the premier era, and that required several planets to align and didn't last very long. Hopefully MSP can inject a bit of professionalism and direction into the board to help Dyche to at least create some mid-table stability asap..... but to take the next step and really grow the club, will almost certainly require investment, because we're miles behind our historic rivals, after decades of stagnation and mismanagement.

 

[Melchizedek]

No-one is implying that you can just spend your way to the top...... but being able to spend normally helps. Only Leicester have bucked that trend in the premier era, and that required several planets to align and didn't last very long. Hopefully MSP can inject a bit of professionalism and direction into the board to help Dyche to at least create some mid-table stability asap..... but to take the next step and really grow the club, will almost certainly require investment, because we're miles behind our historic rivals, after decades of stagnation and mismanagement.

100% agree with that. The sad part is we were able to spend when Moshiri came in, but he and the board made colossal missteps and now we're in the state we're in. We need investment, and we need serious business people to make us more profitable to help right this ship.

 

[Blue peter]

I could have won trophies with the players he had in the class of 92 - the team was built for him.
I would suggest that the best managers would build a stable club structure that would not crumble massively when you depart. There is alot of luck in winning trophies and if you are the only club the best players want to go to you have a rather large advantage over the best of the rest.
Ferguson was never brave enough to go anywhere else, yet Pep has emulated his sucess at multiple clubs.
Pep is only 52, Sir c0ckwomble was 44 when he took over manure but was never brave enough to go anywhere else. Im convinced he would have failed at any other club, football moved on but he was a dinosaur - his authortarian ways would have massively failed any where else and he left a mess when he departed.
Pep has won 5 PL titles in 7 season. Sir womble won 13 in 26 years.....even if you ignore trophy numbers, Peps perfomances week in week out are better than what ferguson achieved...PEP is a better manager and would surpass fergy in terms of PL trophies f he stayed with City. But like the best i think he will want a new challenge, not just the same old same old scared of change malarkey.

Look at what he did at Aberdeen in essentially a two horse race….he also won a European Trophy with Aberdeen which is simply unheard of.

His class of 92 was borne out of his determination when he joined Utd in 1986 to revamp the youth set up with Eric Harrison. He cultivated those players at youth level.

He won 13 titles on his own (the same number of top division titles that Arsenal have won in their entire history) and he did it by refreshing team after team and being supported by a succession of number 2s.

If anything Ferguson underperformed in Europe but was unlucky that he faced possibly one of the greatest club side in the CL final in 2009 and 2011. His record, least of all because of his length of tenure is unrivalled.

The guy is a legend and is right to be lauded as one of the greatest managers ever.

 

[roydo]

underperformed in Europe

Still won the CL twice didnt he? Plus the CWC.

He readily admitted in his bio that United/English football was miles behind the established European teams. His selling point to Keane was "We will dominate England for years anyrate, but with you, we will get Europe".

Sake. MSP thread.

Jeez, who knows?

 

[Blue peter]

Still won the CL twice didnt he? Plus the CWC.

He readily admitted in his bio that United/English football was miles behind the established European teams. His selling point to Keane was "We will dominate England for years anyrate, but with you, we will get Europe".

Sake. MSP thread.

Jeez, who knows?

He did, but given his dominance in English football, and 26 years in charge I would have expected him to have won more CLs….as I say, there would have been if it weren’t for a Messi inspired Barca in their Pomp. By way of a comparison Paisley won 3 in 9 years. Other than that absolutely one of the greatest managers of all time