MSP Sports Capital

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According to wikipedia, yes. I don't know anything about baseball, is this a good or bad thing?

tidbit: wiki says he bought the Padres off a "John Moores"

I’d say a good thing on the whole. Not perfect but good. During his ownership, they definitely moved from being an uncompetitive team with a low payroll (wage bill) to one of the better teams in the league with a higher payroll. Invested heavily in some of the best young players in baseball.

Worked a number of commercial deals to really improve their purchasing power. Not sure if that would translate to the Premier League as each baseball team is able to negotiate their own local TV rights (very lucrative)

 

[DaveAEFC]

Quick look under the bonnet and 'no thanks.'

Why?

 

[Ruairi77]

I’d say a good thing on the whole. Not perfect but good. During his ownership, they definitely moved from being an uncompetitive team with a low payroll (wage bill) to one of the better teams in the league with a higher payroll. Invested heavily in some of the best young players in baseball.

Worked a number of commercial deals to really improve their purchasing power. Not sure if that would translate to the Premier League as each baseball team is able to negotiate their own local TV rights (very lucrative)

I get the feeling they must think they can dramatically increase revenue via corporate deals otherwise they wouldn't be interested.
Here's hoping anyway.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

I have a bad feeling about this “investment” that it’s designed to separate the ownership of the club and the ownership of the new stadium, so we would be renting the stadium and someone else would own it. It’s happened with other clubs.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Even if msp were able to spend funds on par with a club backed a dodgy human rights abusing nation club, we wouldn't be able splash it due moshiri being inept so I would just like sensible business operators on commercial deals, recruitment and board composition that doesn't have the usual cretins

The question raised from the above is how we get these magical commercial deals? Other than the main shirt sponsor where perhaps there is a world where we might be able to increase it by 5 million per year if we are very good selling ourselves and the prospective sponsor is feeling generous that day.

Then we just need to find another 10 million to make up for the loss of the USM money just for Finch Farm per year. That's before we talk about the megafone money for the stadium, women's team and in the background of press conferences etc.

You only have so many 'elite' sponsors that are seen that make the most money, start getting more then the images have to shrink and you devalue each contract. You also have brand awareness through attachment where we may have no visible sign our end except maybe a rolling advert on the hoardings, but they can put in magazine their advert and say sponsor of Everton etc. but we don't have the world wide following that make brands fall over themselves to get attached to us as they would say for Manchester Utd.

Bottom line is no matter how good a new owner is commercially we would be worse off than where we were under Moshiri.

 

[Curtis]

The question raised from the above is how we get these magical commercial deals? Other than the main shirt sponsor where perhaps there is a world where we might be able to increase it by 5 million per year if we are very good selling ourselves and the prospective sponsor is feeling generous that day.

Then we just need to find another 10 million to make up for the loss of the USM money just for Finch Farm per year. That's before we talk about the megafone money for the stadium, women's team and in the background of press conferences etc.

You only have so many 'elite' sponsors that are seen that make the most money, start getting more then the images have to shrink and you devalue each contract. You also have brand awareness through attachment where we may have no visible sign our end except maybe a rolling advert on the hoardings, but they can put in magazine their advert and say sponsor of Everton etc. but we don't have the world wide following that make brands fall over themselves to get attached to us as they would say for Manchester Utd.

Bottom line is no matter how good a new owner is commercially we would be worse off than where we were under Moshiri.

I understand what you're saying and it's easy to just to assume deals are out there but look at Brighton I don't know full of their contracts but they have sponsorship deal with snickers this year and although they've always been known as a well run club, the team didn't actually make significant progress on the pitch this year along with participating in the Premier League summer tour in America they're going to develop new fans I know a lot of u.k. fans aren't fond of the u.s. market and Fandom but it's blossoming every year and maybe we won't have the investment equivalent of our previous shadow owner but I think If a club is smart there are deals out in the world that can be secured is it going to be easy absolutely not but its going to require people who are actually qualified instead of the same malcontents. I think it's crazy the only way I can buy an everyon kit is directly from the everton store online when people can buy other kits at airports , sporting goods stores that another example of poor business

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

The question raised from the above is how we get these magical commercial deals? Other than the main shirt sponsor where perhaps there is a world where we might be able to increase it by 5 million per year if we are very good selling ourselves and the prospective sponsor is feeling generous that day.

Then we just need to find another 10 million to make up for the loss of the USM money just for Finch Farm per year. That's before we talk about the megafone money for the stadium, women's team and in the background of press conferences etc.

You only have so many 'elite' sponsors that are seen that make the most money, start getting more then the images have to shrink and you devalue each contract. You also have brand awareness through attachment where we may have no visible sign our end except maybe a rolling advert on the hoardings, but they can put in magazine their advert and say sponsor of Everton etc. but we don't have the world wide following that make brands fall over themselves to get attached to us as they would say for Manchester Utd.

Bottom line is no matter how good a new owner is commercially we would be worse off than where we were under Moshiri.

Nailed it.

There isn’t a huge untapped well of companies that want to throw money at a bottom half club (currently not enjoying the best PR). Nor are there millions of sleeping Evertonians all over the world that can be easily coerced into spending with the club, or subscribing to new tiered memberships etc

We should manage to lock in slightly higher revenues with better commercial partners, which would then give more consistent, reliable income over longer periods. But there is so little scope for “they will come in, increase commercial revenue, coz that’s what these types do.”

The money sloshing round the middle levels of the PL are from TV, which you can’t affect, and player flipping or development/sale, which we are shocking at. This would take seasons to turn around, bar the odd blip like Gordon.

No matter how bad the current shower are at this sort of thing, if someone found/created a new revenue stream Mosh and his cronies never spotted, it would probably only pay Michael Keane’s salary for 6 months. A high performing prestige motor dealership employing 50+ people slapped in the centre circle of BMD wouldn’t make enough to pay Tom Davies. That’s how stupid football costs have become.

 

[BNJ1878]

What Are Preference Shares and What Are the Types of Preferred Stock?

Preference shares are company stock with dividends that are paid to shareholders before common stock dividends are paid out.

www.investopedia.com

explains the type of shares they'll be buying, from that I believe they basically get priority over other shareholders for being paid dividends until their share is paid up

Shareholders in Everton don't get paid dividends.

We should be grateful they don't tap us up for an additional bit of cash for the meter.

5% discount on ST, I think the same on club merch and that's it.

Don't even get snacks at AGM's anymore.

All feels to me like its a deal that would let Moshiri keep his grasp on the club.

Can't blame him, he'll want to claw back as much as he can. This MSP deal seems to be just a way of ticking the build over whilst we hopefully stabilise on the pitch and our wage spend comes under some degree of control.

I get it, all owners want to make money, but just feels like with him still "running" the club we will stagger and stutter to the new gound and never realy progress.

I genuinely don't think he's been running the club, everyone has had a go at taking the wheel without telling the others. What's clear is he appears to have lost interest. He'd get a phone call from Bill when the account in the Isle of Mann was empty and he'd top it up.

Maybe im wrong, but the 777 seemed better for us as fans looking in, as they would want to turn us into a self-sustainable club, that they could improve the club on its own merits.

But, we never know do we with any of this....we was all buzzing when Moshiri took us.

If MSP come in they'll definitely have board representation. I see @BeardedScotsman claimed 7 but that would be almost double our existing board.
. I'd guess two from MSP at a minimum and if the owner sees sense and bins off the two biggest leeches they can use that cash to bring In appropriate expertise. For the money they earn your have a line of applicants around the block who are better qualified.

A professional board with everyone accountable would do wonders for this club.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I really hope so, its hard to get positive about things atvthe moment. If this had been before Moshiri i probably would be well excited. Just dont trust anything this bunch do...

Recent reports suggest Moshiri has lost a fair bit of his money over the last 2 years (understandable) hence the need for investment and his desire to move on in the longer term.

 

[Tom Hughes]

I dunno, buying any Premier Legue club if you get the chance at the right price, can be worth it.
It only wasn't worth it for Moshiri because he was terrible when it came to running it.

The chairman runs the club by directing his board.... that's literally his job. The absent landlord just put the money up, paid off the debts he inherited and has paid for the whole stadium to date. He bought a basketcase and left the architects of its decline stay in charge. Guess what happened next?

 

[mahermi1]

The chairman runs the club by directing his board.... that's literally his job. The absent landlord just put the money up, paid off the debts he inherited and has paid for the whole stadium to date. He bought a basketcase and left the architects of its decline stay in charge. Guess what happened next?

He knows this but can't stop wumming, Moshiri is an absent owner, probably for tax purposes, he lives abroad, think Monaco. So he leaves the running of the club to the Chairman Kenwright and CEO Baxendale, Carlin knows this but finds it easier to blame Moshiri, that's purely his agenda and to be honest it's extremely tiresome. To stay on topic, if MSP come in I hope they bring us a new Chairman and CEO, because otherwise it's just a pointless exercise.

 

[BNJ1878]

The chairman runs the club by directing his board.... that's literally his job. The absent landlord just put the money up, paid off the debts he inherited and has paid for the whole stadium to date. He bought a basketcase and left the architects of its decline stay in charge. Guess what happened next?

This is the exact reason Bills 24/7 'search for investment' took years and years despite him being 'the best salesman for Everton.'

It must have been frustrating for poor old Bill to discover the majority of Billionaires weren't too keen on handing over hundreds of millions and let him Continue driving the bus.

Moshiri is clearly a gullible fool, but he has my sympathy.Ke wright has fooled thousands for years, what's one more?

 

[The binman chronicles]

I understand what you're saying and it's easy to just to assume deals are out there but look at Brighton I don't know full of their contracts but they have sponsorship deal with snickers this year and although they've always been known as a well run club, the team didn't actually make significant progress on the pitch this year along with participating in the Premier League summer tour in America they're going to develop new fans I know a lot of u.k. fans aren't fond of the u.s. market and Fandom but it's blossoming every year and maybe we won't have the investment equivalent of our previous shadow owner but I think If a club is smart there are deals out in the world that can be secured is it going to be easy absolutely not but its going to require people who are actually qualified instead of the same malcontents. I think it's crazy the only way I can buy an everyon kit is directly from the everton store online when people can buy other kits at airports , sporting goods stores that another example of poor business

No one can say we are well run so I have no doubt we are leaving some things on the table. It's just questionable if that amoumt will be the differentiator to making us successful.

Brighton's main sponsor pays out just over 8 million a season for shirt and stadium, so it's safe to say the sleeve sponsor is going to be similar to ours even though theirs is a bigger name. They've got a feel good factor in a good location with the potential people in London (mainly the outskirts in the South) to start supporting them. So in a roundabout way I'm saying although they look on the surface commercially good with blue chip companies they can do this as maybe they offer good value compared to how much we and other bigger clubs may ask for?

If they stay where they are now for a few seasons then obviously they can ask for more but it will be interesting if these companies want to pay huge sums if they aren't actually winning pots or building up a big fanbase abroad.

We are stuck where we are remember because we thought we would be able to raise the in-house sponsorship year on year to cover the shortfall. All with the idea as we got successful then we could increase the external deals. As these were cut away from us suddenly the budgets we were working to went up in flames. No one could have known that would happen and it makes us look stupid under Moshiri, but we were pulling in 40-70 million with USM + our kit and title sponsor. That was huge for a club doing as little as we were and will be almost impossible to get back to unless we are taken over by someone who also has access to umbrella companies to pump in cash that way.

 

[mahermi1]

The chairman runs the club by directing his board.... that's literally his job. The absent landlord just put the money up, paid off the debts he inherited and has paid for the whole stadium to date. He bought a basketcase and left the architects of its decline stay in charge. Guess what happened next?

Excellent post.

 

[Rob17896]

Why?

Loss making, numerous players coming out of contract for whom we will get no fee, need to sell best players to recruit and potential ffp fine on the way. If we stay up one hell of a job for a manager to rebuild for next season.