Never forget....

[davids]

He's not a blue. He's a red this one.

Makes sense from such a bizzare comment.

 

[Seathestars]

RIP the 39.

Regards the rightful ban of the English in ‘85, I would have banned them again from all international football (including Euro ‘96) when their hooligans threw chairs and metal bars at my countrymen and women in Dublin 15 minutes into an Ireland vs England ‘friendly’ game in February 1995.

Watching the Busby doc on Sky Documentay yesterday it was good to see they mentioned Man United getting banned from European football in the 1970s after their hooligans rioted in France, this following Leeds United who were banned in ‘74 for three years after their fans rioted in Paris after the Euro Cup final. With hooliganism (and racism) widespread in the English game by the 1980s a complete ban was long overdue.

One issue though is while the English had largely cleaned up their act by the early 2000s, with hooligan firms no longer as active as previous, the Italians did not. You still can’t go to certain grounds in Italy without a police escort, while they remain racist to the core. The recent booing at some grounds in England during players taking the knee for racial equality shows their are still some knuckle-draggers among the English crowds. To weed all of them out of society is the goal.

Only you lot could actually turn this into you being the victims, quite an incredible read that

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Only you lot could actually turn this into you being the victims, quite an incredible read that

More long winded and unreadable tripe, from the worst poster on this forum. I've watched the youtube video showing the Heysel disaster, as it happened. Joe Fagan pleaded with those animals to behave themselves, to no avail. Barry Davies in his commentary makes it very clear, about what happened. The indignation in his voice, as he watches this unfold before his very eyes was sobering. The people involved in that disgraceful behaviour are scum, and anyone defending them is scum as well. Rip to those poor 39 souls.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

If you venture onto the juventus twitter.
That lot have the audacity to put #ynwa on posts.
Absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

RIP the 39.

Regards the rightful ban of the English in ‘85, I would have banned them again from all international football (including Euro ‘96) when their hooligans threw chairs and metal bars at my countrymen and women in Dublin 15 minutes into an Ireland vs England ‘friendly’ game in February 1995.

Watching the Busby doc on Sky Documentay yesterday it was good to see they mentioned Man United getting banned from European football in the 1970s after their hooligans rioted in France, this following Leeds United who were banned in ‘74 for three years after their fans rioted in Paris after the Euro Cup final. With hooliganism (and racism) widespread in the English game by the 1980s a complete ban was long overdue.

One issue though is while the English had largely cleaned up their act by the early 2000s, with hooligan firms no longer as active as previous, the Italians did not. You still can’t go to certain grounds in Italy without a police escort, while they remain racist to the core. The recent booing at some grounds in England during players taking the knee for racial equality shows their are still some knuckle-draggers among the English crowds. To weed all of them out of society is the goal.

What about smashing team coaches?

 

[trueblue84]

RIP the 39.

Regards the rightful ban of the English in ‘85, I would have banned them again from all international football (including Euro ‘96) when their hooligans threw chairs and metal bars at my countrymen and women in Dublin 15 minutes into an Ireland vs England ‘friendly’ game in February 1995.

Watching the Busby doc on Sky Documentay yesterday it was good to see they mentioned Man United getting banned from European football in the 1970s after their hooligans rioted in France, this following Leeds United who were banned in ‘74 for three years after their fans rioted in Paris after the Euro Cup final. With hooliganism (and racism) widespread in the English game by the 1980s a complete ban was long overdue.

One issue though is while the English had largely cleaned up their act by the early 2000s, with hooligan firms no longer as active as previous, the Italians did not. You still can’t go to certain grounds in Italy without a police escort, while they remain racist to the core. The recent booing at some grounds in England during players taking the knee for racial equality shows their are still some knuckle-draggers among the English crowds. To weed all of them out of society is the goal.

And yet, uefa saw fit to single the rs out...

Football: Leaked Uefa report condemns Liverpool fans as 'worst behaved in Europe'

A leaked Uefa report has branded Liverpool's fans the "worst behaved in Europe", stating they have been involved in 25 separate disturbances at European away games since 2003.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Blueboy57]

What about smashing team coaches?

I remember reading the United forum Redcafe after that happened & the moral indignation that followed regarding the rs supporters. The thread soon died a quick death when someone posted this video from youtube. It did make me laugh as United fans were the pioneers of football violence back in the early 70's. They're the last ones in the queue when it comes to highlighting the behaviour of other fans.

 

[Blueboy57]

So for you it was right to ban us and the other clubs who'd never caused a problem in Europe?

Pretty sure it was Thatcher who implemented the ban on all English clubs. She hated football anyway, & football supporters even more.

 

[trueblue84]

Pretty sure it was Thatcher who implemented the ban on all English clubs. She hated football anyway, & football supporters even more.

She did hate hooligans. But the rs were "the hooligans" in the 80s. It wasn't a decision by a crazy woman who hated football. It was a reaction to 39 juventus fans dying as a result of the actions of Liverpool fans.

 

[AndyC]

I remember reading the United forum Redcafe after that happened & the moral indignation that followed regarding the rs supporters. The thread soon died a quick death when someone posted this video from youtube. It did make me laugh as United fans were the pioneers of football violence back in the early 70's. They're the last ones in the queue when it comes to highlighting the behaviour of other fans.

Earlier than that mate, from 1970 onwards they were easily the largest and most organised set of football nutters.

 

[Blueboy57]

She did hate hooligans. But the rs were "the hooligans" in the 80s. It wasn't a decision by a crazy woman who hated football. It was a reaction to 39 juventus fans dying as a result of the actions of Liverpool fans.

Oh yeah that goes without saying. But I think Thatcher's ban was purely pre-emptive anyway, as UEFA were certainly going to ban us.

I'm surprised that ourselves, along with a few other clubs, didn't take some sort of legal action against the blanket ban.

 

[trueblue84]

Oh yeah that goes without saying. But I think Thatcher's ban was purely pre-emptive anyway, as UEFA were certainly going to ban us.

I'm surprised that ourselves, along with a few other clubs, didn't take some sort of legal action against the blanket ban.

Had heysel not happened, we wouldn't have been banned from European football.

 

[Blueboy57]

Had heysel not happened, we wouldn't have been banned from European football.

But we played no part in Heysel. Pretty strong argument for a legal challenge I'd say.

 

[trueblue84]

But we played no part in Heysel. Pretty strong argument for a legal challenge I'd say.

We all know the score, but it will be a total waste of time to challenge the government's decision.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

RIP the 39.

Regards the rightful ban of the English in ‘85, I would have banned them again from all international football (including Euro ‘96) when their hooligans threw chairs and metal bars at my countrymen and women in Dublin 15 minutes into an Ireland vs England ‘friendly’ game in February 1995.

Watching the Busby doc on Sky Documentay yesterday it was good to see they mentioned Man United getting banned from European football in the 1970s after their hooligans rioted in France, this following Leeds United who were banned in ‘74 for three years after their fans rioted in Paris after the Euro Cup final. With hooliganism (and racism) widespread in the English game by the 1980s a complete ban was long overdue.

One issue though is while the English had largely cleaned up their act by the early 2000s, with hooligan firms no longer as active as previous, the Italians did not. You still can’t go to certain grounds in Italy without a police escort, while they remain racist to the core. The recent booing at some grounds in England during players taking the knee for racial equality shows their are still some knuckle-draggers among the English crowds. To weed all of them out of society is the goal.

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.