Never forget....

[Cork Evertonian]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

You well and truly are the lowest of the low. You say you will speak out, against abuses from fans of any other club, yet you refuse to condemn the liverpool fans who murdered 39 Juventus fans. Everton played in a european final, two weeks earlier in Rotterdam, and the behaviour of the Everton supporters was impeccable, and a credit to their city and country.

 

[wandyr79]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

Shameless, utterly shameless.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

You know something you are one sad human being, to actually go to the trouble of writing all that. This is a thread in memory of 39 murdered Juventus fans, and you show such disrespect with your deflection and blame antics. You are either a wum, or a person seriously lacking in compassion and sensitivity. I reckon myself it's a combination of all these things.

 

[PhilM]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

 

[PITA]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

I’m not going to defend the actions of hooligans. However, I’ll never understand how anyone who clearly hates the English as much as you (rightly or wrongly) can claim to follow an English team (whoever that might be).

 

[anton66]

Correction, the documentary that mentioned the violence committed by English fans (the hooligan element) is in The United Way doc (not the Busby doc). I’m watching it now. It has Hesletine and Kinnock talking about deprivation in working class areas, and football was, quote “the obvious place for the hooligans”. The United doc covers the violence by Man Utd fans in France in the 1970s that saw Man Utd banned from European football. Also covers United fans fighting outside Old Trafford (no doubt with another clubs firm).

Leeds had been banned before Man U (1975, not 1974) for three years after they rioted in Paris at the ‘75 EC final.

By the 1980s with hooliganism and racism rampant (from our club’s perspective. “Everton are white” chants, or the hooligan firm County Road Cutters), a widespeard ban was inevitable and overdue.


My parents marched in civil rights marches in the 1960s in the North of Ireland in a revolt against the oppression inflicted to catholics by the descendants of English/Scots invaders here, an action inspired by the civil rights marches by oppressed black and other non white people in the US. Its been bred into us to have zero tolerance to any form of abuse or oppression to minorities, hence I will speak loudly about the abuses committed by our own club (or any other club). The English took their hooliganism to our doorstep in ‘95 when they came over to Dublin for a friendly and chucked metal bars and chairs at Irish people in the tier below. How the English were not banned from international football after that was a disgrace.

I think you’ll find hooliganism has been rampant from the early 70’s.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

I’m not going to defend the actions of hooligans. However, I’ll never understand how anyone who clearly hates the English as much as you (rightly or wrongly) can claim to follow an English team (whoever that might be).

I’ll ignore the nonsense above but this I have to address. I don’t hate English people in the slightest. Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my choice of wording by simply saying “the English” in regard to the hooliganism inflicted on my countrymen and women at Lansdowne Road in ‘95 when metal bars and chairs reigned down on the tier below. I’m speaking solely of English hooligans, which is a tiny minority of English people.

As manager of Ireland Jack Charlton often contrasted the actions of Irish fans abroad with the English fans, “ours don’t give any trouble”.

This thread started off appropriately by commemorating those who went to a game and never came home. About five posts in it degenerated into one or two toxic responses using their deaths. It’s them my posts refers to.

Those that lived through it know hooliganism was rampant in the English game, as was racism, and a league-wide ban was long overdue after individual clubs (Leeds, and Man U) had been previously been banned for rioting during games in the 1970s. “Everton are white” chants, being labelled a racist club, having a notorious hooliganism firm (county road cutters), this club was right amongst that. In the Howard’s Way doc it touches on hooliganism in England. The only comment on Heysel in the doc was from big Nev critiquing the condition of the stadium. Is big Nev not a proper blue?

Maybe it’s my background of living through the troubles in the north of Ireland, witnessing two tribes going at it, both thinking they were in the right, a bomb going off in my housing estate and killing a young man who had just got into his car, but I don’t do sides. Never have. I don’t whitewash history either. I call out crap when I see it.

 

[the sniderman]

I’ll ignore the nonsense above but this I have to address. I don’t hate English people in the slightest. Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my choice of wording by simply saying “the English” in regard to the hooliganism inflicted on my countrymen and women at Lansdowne Road in ‘95 when metal bars and chairs reigned down on the tier below. I’m speaking solely of English hooligans, which is a tiny minority of English people.

As manager of Ireland Jack Charlton often contrasted the actions of Irish fans abroad with the English fans, “ours don’t give any trouble”.

This thread started off appropriately by commemorating those who went to a game and never came home. About five posts in it degenerated into one or two toxic responses using their deaths. It’s them my posts refers to.

Those that lived through it know hooliganism was rampant in the English game, as was racism, and a league-wide ban was long overdue after individual clubs (Leeds, and Man U) had been previously been banned for rioting during games in the 1970s. “Everton are white” chants, being labelled a racist club, having a notorious hooliganism firm (county road cutters), this club was right amongst that. In the Howard’s Way doc it touches on hooliganism in England. The only comment on Heysel in the doc was from big Nev critiquing the condition of the stadium. Is big Nev not a proper blue?

Maybe it’s my background of living through the troubles in the north of Ireland, witnessing two tribes going at it, both thinking they were in the right, a bomb going off in my housing estate and killing a young man who had just got into his car, but I don’t do sides. Never have. I don’t whitewash history either. I call out crap when I see it.

thank u for strong opinions buddy can u tell us ur thoughts on being a red slimeball pretending to be blue on grandoldteam.com please.

 

[PITA]

I’ll ignore the nonsense above but this I have to address. I don’t hate English people in the slightest. Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my choice of wording by simply saying “the English” in regard to the hooliganism inflicted on my countrymen and women at Lansdowne Road in ‘95 when metal bars and chairs reigned down on the tier below. I’m speaking solely of English hooligans, which is a tiny minority of English people.

As manager of Ireland Jack Charlton often contrasted the actions of Irish fans abroad with the English fans, “ours don’t give any trouble”.

This thread started off appropriately by commemorating those who went to a game and never came home. About five posts in it degenerated into one or two toxic responses using their deaths. It’s them my posts refers to.

Those that lived through it know hooliganism was rampant in the English game, as was racism, and a league-wide ban was long overdue after individual clubs (Leeds, and Man U) had been previously been banned for rioting during games in the 1970s. “Everton are white” chants, being labelled a racist club, having a notorious hooliganism firm (county road cutters), this club was right amongst that. In the Howard’s Way doc it touches on hooliganism in England. The only comment on Heysel in the doc was from big Nev critiquing the condition of the stadium. Is big Nev not a proper blue?

Maybe it’s my background of living through the troubles in the north of Ireland, witnessing two tribes going at it, both thinking they were in the right, a bomb going off in my housing estate and killing a young man who had just got into his car, but I don’t do sides. Never have. I don’t whitewash history either. I call out crap when I see it.

And breathe.
I’ve lived in Dublin so I know that many Irish people (not ‘Irish people’, per se) hate ‘The English’ with a passion (which is their prerogative). When I lived there, I remember a few incidents of poor behaviour by Irish youth on holiday in Portugal being reported on the TV. That was more recent than 1995. Not hooligans, just Irish youth. Wasn’t widely reported since we wouldn’t want to cast doubt on the Irish just enjoying ‘the craic’. Maybe it wasn’t important because it didn’t affect your ‘countrymen’ (really?).
Please don’t go there with racism. The Irish love to travel but don’t particularly tolerate foreigners. I know so don’t even bother.
Personally, I only dislike people (a few) who I have reason to dislike. I don’t hate anyone but maybe that is because of my ‘privileged’ upbringing.
I don’t hate the Germans despite the monstrosity that was the Third Reich. The past is the past. I’ve moved on. It’s good for your mental health. Try it.

 

[the sniderman]

And breathe.
I’ve lived in Dublin so I know that many Irish people (not ‘Irish people’, per se) hate ‘The English’ with a passion (which is their prerogative). When I lived there, I remember a few incidents of poor behaviour by Irish youth on holiday in Portugal being reported on the TV. That was more recent than 1995. Not hooligans, just Irish youth. Wasn’t widely reported since we wouldn’t want to cast doubt on the Irish just enjoying ‘the craic’. Maybe it wasn’t important because it didn’t affect your ‘countrymen’ (really?).
Please don’t go there with racism. The Irish love to travel but don’t particularly tolerate foreigners. I know so don’t even bother.
Personally, I only dislike people (a few) who I have reason to dislike. I don’t hate anyone but maybe that is because of my ‘privileged’ upbringing.
I don’t hate the Germans despite the monstrosity that was the Third Reich. The past is the past. I’ve moved on. It’s good for your mental health. Try it.

buddy please expand on privileged upbringing.

 

[PITA]

buddy please expand on privileged upbringing.

Went to St Kevin’s in Kirkby. Lived in Tower Hill. Please don’t hate me.

 

[Dixie_Toffee]

Well this is irrelevant to this thread and excuse me for that but it is always bothering me when I only see one side of the coin in this topic of racism. Why is anyone relating racism with our club in the late 80s and early 90s when there were national front and white pride graffities in the kop stand?
Let's also see how Everton corelates with the Irish refugees earlier in time, in contrast with lfc. What the board's stand was and which of the two teams had more Irish refugee supporters? It was us. Which team had fans stabbed by Rangers fans calling them "f-in' fenians"? It was us. Decades of racism in England were a general phenomeonon that existed in almost every team. Do some people here really know our history or are they just clinging on the things that kopites, the supporters that just some years ago defended a racist biting player, say about us?

 

[dead_soft]

Well this is irrelevant to this thread and excuse me for that but it is always bothering me when I only see one side of the coin in this topic of racism. Why is anyone relating racism with our club in the late 80s and early 90s when there were national front and white pride graffities in the kop stand?
Let's also see how Everton corelates with the Irish refugees earlier in time, in contrast with lfc. What the board's stand was and which of the two teams had more Irish refugee supporters? It was us. Which team had fans stabbed by Rangers fans calling them "f-in' fenians"? It was us. Decades of racism in England were a general phenomeonon that existed in almost every team. Do some people here really know our history or are they just clinging on the things that kopites, the supporters that just some years ago defended a racist biting player, say about us?

It is irrelevant to this thread and we shouldn't try and do a 'but what about them?' when talking about shameful parts of our history. They may well have their own stuff but that's for them to deal with and not face up to. We shouldn't be trying a 'but everyone was bad' or 'well actually we had bad happen to us'. Was shameful, should be faced up to. That's the end of it.

 

[Dixie_Toffee]

I am not here to start trying to erase parts of the club's history or anything. What I am saying is that it is somewhat crazy to categorize a club as racist, in a period of time when its attendances varied between 40.000 and 78.000 because of a loud minority on the stands, while other teams had similar loud minorities. You could say that Everton became the media scapegoat for racism in the stands at some point, because only a really small percentage of those numbers had those views. You can also blame the board policy on the matter and that is fair, because if the board didn't point to a different direction soon enough, then the minority surely was encouraged.

I'm not denying anything, my point is that you can't name a club racist or anti-racist when you are talking about a mixed crowd of 40.000 to 78.000 people. You could surely say that there is a racist or anti-racist faction in the stands but talking about "racist clubs" in that way is somewhat illogical. It's plain numbers that translate to social relationships, and we should do the math by counting how many people were also against all that...

Some food for thought about our current club's PR and marketing department. There were many lfc racist incidents in the past and they were all over the internet but you can't find some of them any more because lfc has requested them to be removed from search engines as part of their marketing policy I guess... Should our club do the same?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I’ll ignore the nonsense above but this I have to address. I don’t hate English people in the slightest. Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my choice of wording by simply saying “the English” in regard to the hooliganism inflicted on my countrymen and women at Lansdowne Road in ‘95 when metal bars and chairs reigned down on the tier below. I’m speaking solely of English hooligans, which is a tiny minority of English people.

As manager of Ireland Jack Charlton often contrasted the actions of Irish fans abroad with the English fans, “ours don’t give any trouble”.

This thread started off appropriately by commemorating those who went to a game and never came home. About five posts in it degenerated into one or two toxic responses using their deaths. It’s them my posts refers to.

Those that lived through it know hooliganism was rampant in the English game, as was racism, and a league-wide ban was long overdue after individual clubs (Leeds, and Man U) had been previously been banned for rioting during games in the 1970s. “Everton are white” chants, being labelled a racist club, having a notorious hooliganism firm (county road cutters), this club was right amongst that. In the Howard’s Way doc it touches on hooliganism in England. The only comment on Heysel in the doc was from big Nev critiquing the condition of the stadium. Is big Nev not a proper blue?

Maybe it’s my background of living through the troubles in the north of Ireland, witnessing two tribes going at it, both thinking they were in the right, a bomb going off in my housing estate and killing a young man who had just got into his car, but I don’t do sides. Never have. I don’t whitewash history either. I call out crap when I see it.

No one died at Lansdowne Road in 1995. 39 people were killed in the Heysel Disaster, yet you seem to be more worried about the Landowne Road incident. Again another long winded post full of bs from you, for the third time on this thread. You are a nasty disgusting troll, and you have zero credibility on this forum. The only one being toxic here is you, for refusing to condemn the Liverpool fans who murdered 39 Juventus fans. That's not me being toxic either, that's the truth.