Never forget....

[anton66]

Some of the responses (not all) are head in the sand stuff and a whitewashing of history. Hooliganism was rampant throughout the game in England, at club and international level. A game that involved the English meant an increased police presence. The English weren’t alone in this (as the Howard’s Way doc mentions) as it was rife among Italians and some Eastern European nations, but hooliganism especially in the 1970s and 1980s was in the DNA of English football. I’ve mentioned Jack Charlton contrasting the Irish fans with the English when he stated “ours don’t give any trouble”. Those that lived through that era know it, and those who are ignorant of it should educate themselves and read about it. Did Everton have a hooligan firm? Err just one of the most notorious in the country, the head of which was at Heysel (according to his bio).

And what about the crowd in general? In his autobiography Jack Charlton called the Goodison crowd in the 1960s "the worst before which I have ever played … there always seems to be a threatening attitude, a vicious undertone to their remarks."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

One of our own:

“As an Everton supporter growing up in the 1980s, I watched what were always “all white” line-ups and endured widespread allegations that the racism found on some sections of the terraces was reflected in the club’s selection policy. I can still painfully recall the despondency and sickness I felt deep in my stomach on the occasion that large numbers of fans around me repeatedly chanted “Everton are white!” during a match at Arsenal in the early 1990s.”

Everton and Racism

Nowadays, you wouldn’t consider Everton a racist club. You wouldn’t give it a single thought. However, once upon a time, they had a bad reputation. Fans made racist chants more often th…

www.efcstatto.com

Les Ferdinand in his autobiography:

“The hat-trick at Everton [in 1993] was particularly pleasing because I had always had racial abuse at Everton from their supporters. Doing that to them gave me extra pleasure. There are certain things which stick in your mind during your career as a footballer and the racism at Goodison Park is one of them. Probably the worst thing I have encountered in my professional career has been racist letters coming from supporters – most of which, I have to say, have come from Everton fans. After I scored that hat-trick against them over the Easter period, the letters I got back were disgusting.”

The link above states: “The acquisition of Amokachi hoped to help Everton eradicate their reputation as a racist club”.

From The Guardian in 2000:

Everton fans top racist 'league of shame'

Racial abuse aimed at black or foreign players at football grounds is still rife, according to university researchers who carried out a survey of 33,000 fans.

www.theguardian.com

From The Telegraph in 2001:

Everton move to lose 'racist' tag

www.telegraph.co.uk

This forum has been great for mental health with a thread devoted to it. What it could also do is ensure any whitewashing of the history of this club is not tolerated, especially given the era we are in with Southgate today having to state the England players will continue to kneel for racial equality despite being jeered by a mindless section their own fans. I’ve lived through tribal BS during the troubles in Northern Ireland, spending most of my life in a catholic ghetto, so have zero tolerance for it. Saying nothing when faced with toxic BS is as bad as those who partake in it.

You’ve been here before.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You’ve been here before.

Unmask the fiend.

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

 

[jaycee]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

39 people died because of the actions of Liverpool supporters, not Everton, Chelsea, the BNP or anybody else,all you had to do was express condolences not deflect the blame

 

[chrissyjack]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

From what I remember , neither yankee slave owners or Nazis caused the deaths of 39 people at a sporting event .

 

[tommye]

and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history

That would be Murderpool FC and its fans then?

 

[PaddyJames]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

WTF are you on about? Blert

 

[wandyr79]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

Just stop it now, really what are you getting out of this.

I mean the 'It was Chelsea' excuse was pretty pathetic but blaming Nazi Germany and the American slave trade for what happened at Heysel is more than strange, it is beyond human. I would normally say 'who are you?' but to be honest the correct phrase would be 'What are you?'.

 

[Blueclouds]

What the hell going on in here?

 

[anton66]

What the hell going on in here?

It’s a rs troll trying to deflect the Heysel disaster onto Everton’s racist hooligan past.
A thread to remember the dead being totally disregarded and blaming other teams supporters is an insult.

 

[gianthogweed]

These people are like a repressed memory to Victim FC did it really happen nah lets just pretend it didn't and just focus on how we are De best club in De world like

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

You are a vile excuse for a human being. You've wasted 13 years of your lonely, pathetic life on this forum pretending to be someone you're not. Nobody is fooled, nobody likes you and nobody is interested in the nonsense you spout.

RIP to those 39 Italian fans murdered by your scum club.

 

[brigadier]

Such an eye opening topic. I’d make this a sticky as it both informs those who need informing (which is clearly a lot hence the ignorance on display) and also exposes those who are complicit in attempting to whitewash history. Besides books and newspapers, I’ve learned more about the history of hooliganism and racism from other Everton websites/forums (one of which I’ve linked in a previous post) than this one, which I have to say is disappointing. Much more could be done on here.

That Dave Prentice article in the Echo that covers the Jack Charlton quote from his autobiography that calls the Everton crowd in the 1960s “the worst before which I have ever played” is one of (if not the earliest) mentions of hooliganism in English football that I’ve come across, ie. long before the County Road Cutters appeared on the scene. The Prentice article on the 1960s states:

“There was also the reputation of the hooligan element amongst the Everton supporters. Gavin quotes John Moynihan in The Soccer Syndrome, describing a stroll around the Goodison Park touchline on a perfect summer's day. "Walking behind the infamous goal, where they built a barrier to stop objects crunching into visiting goalkeepers," he wrote, "There was a strange feeling of hostility remaining as if the regulars had never left."

The News of the World’s Bob Pennington spoke of the "lunatic fringe of support that fastens onto them (Everton), seeking identification in a multi-national port where roots are hard to establish." The same newspaper later described Everton supporters as the "roughest, rowdiest rabble who watches British soccer."

Legendary superstar Everton tried to sign and what happened next

That nugget of historical trivia is just one chiselled from the archives by Gavin Buckland in his memorable chronicle of Everton in the 1960s "Money Can't Buy Us Love."

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Those who whitewash history cannot move forward. They harbour toxic views. Going off topic here but this applies to any issue. Yesterday Tom Hanks called on America to stop whitewashing history. Eight slave owning presidents (one of whom is jefferson, the “monster of Monticello”), Natives labelled subhuman (“savages”) in the declaration, ethnic cleansing with Natives removed and put in cages (an act Hitler would quote), racial segregation, white only vote, white only citizenship, white only marriage, white only schools, graveyards etc.... ultimately 400 years of tyranny towards traumatised non white people on that landmass. “Presidents Day”...imagine marking that. Tyrants on currency, statues etc (English people showed the way of the future last year by removing a statue of a slave trader (Edward Colston) before it was dumped into Bristol Harbour). There will never be a “post racial America” until they face up to their history and humble themselves. Trump was just one person, an easy scapegoat, as tens of millions support him and a few months ago thousands stormed the US Capitol (another building built by slaves). Lack of honesty or accepting wrongs equals zero humility, as a result the race issue there is as strong as ever. Read a book by an esteemed US professor on the contrast in tolerance between America and Germany. As the Germans have never covered up their history and confront it with honesty just 80 years after the holocaust Germany is often ranked the world’s most popular and welcoming country in polls (including two BBC polls). The Germans display an integrity that is a lesson for everyone.

Laughable

 

[brigadier]

I'm convinced years from now they will try to have a sponsorship deal for heysel, there is no bottom of the barrel for that lot, winning a trophy trumps murder.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

I'm convinced years from now they will try to have a sponsorship deal for heysel, there is no bottom of the barrel for that lot, winning a trophy trumps murder.

Didn't Phil Neal try and charge a fee for talking about Hillsborough? Scum club from top to bottom.