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It was actually Hysel he asked for a fee to talk about , which is pretty lowDidn't Phil Neal try and charge a fee for talking about Hillsborough? Scum club from top to bottom.
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It was actually Hysel he asked for a fee to talk about , which is pretty lowDidn't Phil Neal try and charge a fee for talking about Hillsborough? Scum club from top to bottom.
Yes, you're absolutely right. It's difficult to keep track of all that club's shame.It was actually Hysel he asked for a fee to talk about , which is pretty low
At the close of the last enquiry , it was mentioned very briefly on the BBC but it just passed without a whimper . I couldn't believe there wasn't a general outcry over the English footballing world .I wrote this last week in the 'not sure where to put it' thread
Maybe it belongs here
Hillsborough.
When I finally got through to the Arl Fella on the Saturday...no mobiles back then, I asked him was he ok,
Me? Yeah I'm ok, I didn't go.
Why?
I woke up this morning and thought - I not going, I just didnt fancy it...(he had a stand ticket)
The next day, all those years ago, we sat in my Dads front room on Sunday afternoon watching Duckenfield making what was loosely termed - a statement - one of those that actually says everything, but nothing.
Titter ye not, but every now and then I get what can only be termed as flashes, thoughts that pop in my head...most of us do...times when we just Know.
I said...what he means is nobody will really say anythjng until we've all gone away and got our stories straight.
And so it turned out.
When it all finally came to Court...and before it got, rightly shunted off here - 'sub judice' and all that.
I...and many others said - Nobody will serve one day in prison.
The only guy who got 'done' was the Stadium Health and Safety Officer, he got fined £6500...probably because it we his name on the certificate
iirc, Duckenfield went to trial 2 or 3 times(?) NOWT.
Now the latest 3 are found Not 'kin Guilty on perverting the course of justice...which carries some stiff penalies.
potentially 20yrs or more.
Not Because;
Yes, they told lies,
Not Because;
Yes, they changed reports and statements - all that and probably more too.
But;
Because the hastily convened Taylor Enquiry...which had to give recommendations before the start of the next season...was not 'Judicial' enquiry. It couldn't swear in, compel people to even attend, let alone speak...truthfully or otherwise.
None of your official 'Justice' was actually there to be perverted
Cases dismissed
Accused all walk, the Govt. walks away too.
Which ever clever chappie thought that wrinkle up fully deserved his 'K' / Promotion or whatever he got.
Shame.
Just sayin like.
All true. The deaths were a horrible terrible tragedy and the resulting cover ups and farcical response from the powers that be are a disgrace. A plague on the houses of all involved in what I consider a perversion of justice.I wrote this last week in the 'not sure where to put it' thread
Maybe it belongs here
Hillsborough.
When I finally got through to the Arl Fella on the Saturday...no mobiles back then, I asked him was he ok,
Me? Yeah I'm ok, I didn't go.
Why?
I woke up this morning and thought - I not going, I just didnt fancy it...(he had a stand ticket)
The next day, all those years ago, we sat in my Dads front room on Sunday afternoon watching Duckenfield making what was loosely termed - a statement - one of those that actually says everything, but nothing.
Titter ye not, but every now and then I get what can only be termed as flashes, thoughts that pop in my head...most of us do...times when we just Know.
I said...what he means is nobody will really say anythjng until we've all gone away and got our stories straight.
And so it turned out.
When it all finally came to Court...and before it got, rightly shunted off here - 'sub judice' and all that.
I...and many others said - Nobody will serve one day in prison.
The only guy who got 'done' was the Stadium Health and Safety Officer, he got fined £6500...probably because it we his name on the certificate
iirc, Duckenfield went to trial 2 or 3 times(?) NOWT.
Now the latest 3 are found Not 'kin Guilty on perverting the course of justice...which carries some stiff penalies.
potentially 20yrs or more.
Not Because;
Yes, they told lies,
Not Because;
Yes, they changed reports and statements - all that and probably more too.
But;
Because the hastily convened Taylor Enquiry...which had to give recommendations before the start of the next season...was not 'Judicial' enquiry. It couldn't swear in, compel people to even attend, let alone speak...truthfully or otherwise.
None of your official 'Justice' was actually there to be perverted
Cases dismissed
Accused all walk, the Govt. walks away too.
Which ever clever chappie thought that wrinkle up fully deserved his 'K' / Promotion or whatever he got.
Shame.
Just sayin like.
you are one bulbous prick.... classless.... you should be ashamed .... you're a waste of perfectly good skin and organs.I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.
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“Everton are white”: Everton, racism, and the era of change - Grand Old Team
Even with 2020 ravaged by a global pandemic, the perennial disease of racism has managed to rear its ugly head, once again. With the world currently taken aback by the abhorrent murder of George Floyd and the scenes of transnational protests catalysed by his death, I have recently found myself...www.grandoldteam.com
I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.
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‘The battle of Goodison’ at 50: 1964, Everton and Leeds lose their manners and tempers
For the first time in a league match a referee walked off the pitch because of violent play. Too much money is ruining the game, said football authoritieswww.theguardian.com
“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.
Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.
Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.
Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.
An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”
Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,
![]()
American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners
With neo-Nazis and white supremacists violently protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, echoes of the country's awkward history of ties to Nazismwww.timesofisrael.com
“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.
“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.
“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.
![]()
“Everton are white”: Everton, racism, and the era of change - Grand Old Team
Even with 2020 ravaged by a global pandemic, the perennial disease of racism has managed to rear its ugly head, once again. With the world currently taken aback by the abhorrent murder of George Floyd and the scenes of transnational protests catalysed by his death, I have recently found myself...www.grandoldteam.com
I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.
![]()
‘The battle of Goodison’ at 50: 1964, Everton and Leeds lose their manners and tempers
For the first time in a league match a referee walked off the pitch because of violent play. Too much money is ruining the game, said football authoritieswww.theguardian.com
“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.
Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.
Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.
Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.
An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”
Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,
![]()
American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners
With neo-Nazis and white supremacists violently protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, echoes of the country's awkward history of ties to Nazismwww.timesofisrael.com
“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.
“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.
“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
build the wall buddy.I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.
![]()
“Everton are white”: Everton, racism, and the era of change - Grand Old Team
Even with 2020 ravaged by a global pandemic, the perennial disease of racism has managed to rear its ugly head, once again. With the world currently taken aback by the abhorrent murder of George Floyd and the scenes of transnational protests catalysed by his death, I have recently found myself...www.grandoldteam.com
I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.
![]()
‘The battle of Goodison’ at 50: 1964, Everton and Leeds lose their manners and tempers
For the first time in a league match a referee walked off the pitch because of violent play. Too much money is ruining the game, said football authoritieswww.theguardian.com
“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.
Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.
Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.
Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.
An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”
Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,
![]()
American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners
With neo-Nazis and white supremacists violently protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, echoes of the country's awkward history of ties to Nazismwww.timesofisrael.com
“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.
“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.
“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
I thought they only pulled them down?build the wall buddy.
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.
![]()
“Everton are white”: Everton, racism, and the era of change - Grand Old Team
Even with 2020 ravaged by a global pandemic, the perennial disease of racism has managed to rear its ugly head, once again. With the world currently taken aback by the abhorrent murder of George Floyd and the scenes of transnational protests catalysed by his death, I have recently found myself...www.grandoldteam.com
I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.
![]()
‘The battle of Goodison’ at 50: 1964, Everton and Leeds lose their manners and tempers
For the first time in a league match a referee walked off the pitch because of violent play. Too much money is ruining the game, said football authoritieswww.theguardian.com
“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.
Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.
Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.
Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.
An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”
Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,
![]()
American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners
With neo-Nazis and white supremacists violently protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, echoes of the country's awkward history of ties to Nazismwww.timesofisrael.com
“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.
“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.
“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.
![]()
“Everton are white”: Everton, racism, and the era of change - Grand Old Team
Even with 2020 ravaged by a global pandemic, the perennial disease of racism has managed to rear its ugly head, once again. With the world currently taken aback by the abhorrent murder of George Floyd and the scenes of transnational protests catalysed by his death, I have recently found myself...www.grandoldteam.com
I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.
![]()
‘The battle of Goodison’ at 50: 1964, Everton and Leeds lose their manners and tempers
For the first time in a league match a referee walked off the pitch because of violent play. Too much money is ruining the game, said football authoritieswww.theguardian.com
“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.
Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.
Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.
Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.
An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”
Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,
![]()
American laws against ‘coloreds’ influenced Nazi racial planners
With neo-Nazis and white supremacists violently protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia, echoes of the country's awkward history of ties to Nazismwww.timesofisrael.com
“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.
“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.
“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”