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My Dad ( Utd fan )still says to me that it's a friendly rivalry between us and the RS .
I said to him , how did Utd get on in Europe in 88 after Heysel . He shut up .
 
I wrote this last week in the 'not sure where to put it' thread
Maybe it belongs here

Hillsborough.
When I finally got through to the Arl Fella on the Saturday...no mobiles back then, I asked him was he ok,
Me? Yeah I'm ok, I didn't go.
Why?
I woke up this morning and thought - I not going, I just didnt fancy it...(he had a stand ticket)

The next day, all those years ago, we sat in my Dads front room on Sunday afternoon watching Duckenfield making what was loosely termed - a statement - one of those that actually says everything, but nothing.
Titter ye not, but every now and then I get what can only be termed as flashes, thoughts that pop in my head...most of us do...times when we just Know.

I said...what he means is nobody will really say anythjng until we've all gone away and got our stories straight.

And so it turned out.

When it all finally came to Court...and before it got, rightly shunted off here - 'sub judice' and all that.
I...and many others said - Nobody will serve one day in prison.

The only guy who got 'done' was the Stadium Health and Safety Officer, he got fined £6500...probably because it we his name on the certificate
iirc, Duckenfield went to trial 2 or 3 times(?) NOWT.

Now the latest 3 are found Not 'kin Guilty on perverting the course of justice...which carries some stiff penalies.
potentially 20yrs or more.

Not Because;
Yes, they told lies,
Not Because;
Yes, they changed reports and statements - all that and probably more too.

But;

Because the hastily convened Taylor Enquiry...which had to give recommendations before the start of the next season...was not 'Judicial' enquiry. It couldn't swear in, compel people to even attend, let alone speak...truthfully or otherwise.

None of your official 'Justice' was actually there to be perverted

Cases dismissed

Accused all walk, the Govt. walks away too.

Which ever clever chappie thought that wrinkle up fully deserved his 'K' / Promotion or whatever he got.

Shame.
Just sayin like.
 
I wrote this last week in the 'not sure where to put it' thread
Maybe it belongs here

Hillsborough.
When I finally got through to the Arl Fella on the Saturday...no mobiles back then, I asked him was he ok,
Me? Yeah I'm ok, I didn't go.
Why?
I woke up this morning and thought - I not going, I just didnt fancy it...(he had a stand ticket)

The next day, all those years ago, we sat in my Dads front room on Sunday afternoon watching Duckenfield making what was loosely termed - a statement - one of those that actually says everything, but nothing.
Titter ye not, but every now and then I get what can only be termed as flashes, thoughts that pop in my head...most of us do...times when we just Know.

I said...what he means is nobody will really say anythjng until we've all gone away and got our stories straight.

And so it turned out.

When it all finally came to Court...and before it got, rightly shunted off here - 'sub judice' and all that.
I...and many others said - Nobody will serve one day in prison.

The only guy who got 'done' was the Stadium Health and Safety Officer, he got fined £6500...probably because it we his name on the certificate
iirc, Duckenfield went to trial 2 or 3 times(?) NOWT.

Now the latest 3 are found Not 'kin Guilty on perverting the course of justice...which carries some stiff penalies.
potentially 20yrs or more.

Not Because;
Yes, they told lies,
Not Because;
Yes, they changed reports and statements - all that and probably more too.

But;

Because the hastily convened Taylor Enquiry...which had to give recommendations before the start of the next season...was not 'Judicial' enquiry. It couldn't swear in, compel people to even attend, let alone speak...truthfully or otherwise.

None of your official 'Justice' was actually there to be perverted

Cases dismissed

Accused all walk, the Govt. walks away too.

Which ever clever chappie thought that wrinkle up fully deserved his 'K' / Promotion or whatever he got.

Shame.
Just sayin like.
At the close of the last enquiry , it was mentioned very briefly on the BBC but it just passed without a whimper . I couldn't believe there wasn't a general outcry over the English footballing world .
Such a shame for all those poor families .
 

I wrote this last week in the 'not sure where to put it' thread
Maybe it belongs here

Hillsborough.
When I finally got through to the Arl Fella on the Saturday...no mobiles back then, I asked him was he ok,
Me? Yeah I'm ok, I didn't go.
Why?
I woke up this morning and thought - I not going, I just didnt fancy it...(he had a stand ticket)

The next day, all those years ago, we sat in my Dads front room on Sunday afternoon watching Duckenfield making what was loosely termed - a statement - one of those that actually says everything, but nothing.
Titter ye not, but every now and then I get what can only be termed as flashes, thoughts that pop in my head...most of us do...times when we just Know.

I said...what he means is nobody will really say anythjng until we've all gone away and got our stories straight.

And so it turned out.

When it all finally came to Court...and before it got, rightly shunted off here - 'sub judice' and all that.
I...and many others said - Nobody will serve one day in prison.

The only guy who got 'done' was the Stadium Health and Safety Officer, he got fined £6500...probably because it we his name on the certificate
iirc, Duckenfield went to trial 2 or 3 times(?) NOWT.

Now the latest 3 are found Not 'kin Guilty on perverting the course of justice...which carries some stiff penalies.
potentially 20yrs or more.

Not Because;
Yes, they told lies,
Not Because;
Yes, they changed reports and statements - all that and probably more too.

But;

Because the hastily convened Taylor Enquiry...which had to give recommendations before the start of the next season...was not 'Judicial' enquiry. It couldn't swear in, compel people to even attend, let alone speak...truthfully or otherwise.

None of your official 'Justice' was actually there to be perverted

Cases dismissed

Accused all walk, the Govt. walks away too.

Which ever clever chappie thought that wrinkle up fully deserved his 'K' / Promotion or whatever he got.

Shame.
Just sayin like.
All true. The deaths were a horrible terrible tragedy and the resulting cover ups and farcical response from the powers that be are a disgrace. A plague on the houses of all involved in what I consider a perversion of justice.

And to bring it vack to on topic, a plague on all those responsible for the deaths of the 39 in Heysel. 39 people dead because they went to watch a game, may they rest in peace.
 
Rip the 39 - forza Angeli.

The comments by Biggestrsbellend and all the rest of the rs Hysel deniers show just why we can never let them forget what they did and continue to honour and respect the victims every year, without fail, teaching our kids and our kids kids all about the disgrace and their shame from that awful day.

We can also never forgive them for what they did at the time, and what's worse, how they reacted after it and how they still react and attempt to airbrush it from existence - you would think a little contrition, remorse and acceptance of guilt wouldn't be too difficult.

While there remains even one rs Hysel denier in the world, we cannot stay silent.
 
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I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
 
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
you are one bulbous prick.... classless.... you should be ashamed .... you're a waste of perfectly good skin and organs.
 
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
 

I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
build the wall buddy.
 
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”
 
I’d like to apologise to the GOT team for previously stating there is little mention on here of any aspects of racism at the club. Just came across this excellent piece.


I had learned almost everything from other sites of the club and hadn’t seen this. Now I could be wrong about this also but the hooligan aspect (which of course ties in with racism) I don’t think has been sufficiently covered, certainly not enough hence the ignorance or whitewashing displayed by many of the posters. The “English disease” as it was famously dubbed was rampant throughout every club in the land. I’ve referenced the reputation the club had for hooliganism as early the 1960s and the “lunatic fringe” who frequented Goodison. Here is another first for the club: referee taking the players off the pitch and also threatening to abandon the game.


“A ‘spine-chilling’ encounter was how Jack Archer, a reporter for The People, describe Everton’s match against Leeds in 1964 - a game that saw a player sent off in the fourth minute following a chest-high tackle, two players felled after a clash of heads and fans warned for spitting at players.

Such was the hostility the referee, in a first for an English league game, marched both teams off the pitch so that the players and fans could cool down. When the enforced ten-minute break ended, a tannoy announcement warned that any further crowd trouble could see the game abandoned.

Although the First Division match was completed - Leeds winning 1-0 - mounted police then had to disperse angry fans from the streets around Goodison.

Even in an era when bloodcurdling tackles and unruly behaviour were common, the level of violence shocked the public. The match led to a period of reflection but not before the national press had its say.

An ‘unhappy day for English football’ was how the Observer’s John Arlott described it. Brian Crowther, match reporter for the Guardian, went further, blaming the players for their ‘collective irresponsibility’, the fans for their ‘disgusting behaviour’ and the referee for ‘not being firm enough.’”


Just remembered the name of the author that wrote the book on diverging racial tolerance. James Q. Whitman (Hitler’s American model). He briefly covers it in this article,


“As for comparisons to modern times, Whitman said he holds little hope “that the US will ever show much willingness to learn from foreign models,” he said about race relations.

“If Americans were willing, though, there are certainly things they could learn from contemporary Europe, and maybe from Germany in particular,” Whitman told The Times of Israel.

“That’s not because there are no problems with regard to race and immigration in Europe. Far from it. It has more to do with the Western European commitment to norms of human dignity, which stands in the way of the worst political abuses,” said Whitman, referring to what he views as the US and Europe’s diverging criminal justice systems.”

Are you for real, are you seriously for real.

I bet you are sat there getting off on all this aren't you, and by getting off I mean sat there in your undies next to your lifesize cutout of Klopp, telling him how you have spent your day on an Everton forum angering the bitters while wanking off on the aforementioned lifesize cutouts face.
 

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