New Everton Manager

[Thetigerblue]

Absolutely...we shouldn't. I feel our lack success now though is manifesting itself into blues turning on blues...even me on here, I get caught up in it.

Its got to a point now where a new manager has been appointed an blues are attacking other blues over who they wanted just to be proven right and are waiting for him to fail?! How is this productive?

Its become game of who's right and who's wrong instead of accepting the decision getting behind it.

Instead were slagging Moshiri, Brands Kenwright... Other blues... Its getting us nowhere.

It’s getting us nowhere but (and I realise that I’m now demonstrating the same behaviour) there’s plainly huge concern about the direction Moshiri and the board are taking us with the appointment of Nuno. I can’t remember anything of this scale before. It’s not ‘we should see, give him a chance’ but a lot of ‘we have seen, let’s not hire *him*’ yes there are differences of opinion but… if we run a yes/no poll on Nuno what will it say?

 

[LazarusMoon]

Has he proved it at international level. Failed miserably at the World Cup with the best team.

Depends what you consider failure I guess. RM got them to 3rd. Could they have gone further? Yes, and maybe they should have. But anything can happen in a tournament, and ultimately, they lost 1-0 to very good French team that ended up winning the whole thing. Disappointing given the talent? Yes, but not failing miserably in my mind.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I feel like some people are missing the point here. It doesn't matter if he signed Stones or not, he never played for Moyes and therefore was not building on Moyes team. Moyes probably wouldn't have even looked at him that season.

We fell off a cliff because he chose Moyes keeper over his own (better) keeper, the "boss" defence was all getting old (Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin), Osman was also getting old and we had zero usable strikers apart from Lukaku as Moyes left him with none and the player he did bring in to fill in broke his leg.

It's not a case of either or anyway, it's just a case of not letting this utter myth of us having a good season was due to Moyes' team. It really was not, it was a totally different team. It needs knocking on the head.

What has Hibbert got to do with its? He had lost his place to Coleman. And Stones only had 15 league starts that season, so it’s not like he was the main man off the bat.

Gerry had nine league starts, while Miralles was much more of a feature.

It’s not like Bobby came in and transformed the team. We had played great stuff the previous season.

 

[Kever10]

His signings were comfortably more misses than hits though. I mean Robles, Alcaraz, Kone, Besic, Niasse, McGeady, Rodriguez.. He inherited a side that finished 6th, added Lukaku (by pure chance btw) and finished 5th.

Al of them combined cost less than Scheiderlin, Bolassie, Klassen, Keane, Kean, Iwobi, Gbamin individually. He was trying to rebuild an aging squad with no money. In 3 years. It was a thankless task, whether you like him or not.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Depends what you consider failure I guess. RM got them to 3rd. Could they have gone further? Yes, and maybe they should have. But anything can happen in a tournament, and ultimately, they lost 1-0 to very good French team that ended up winning the whole thing. Disappointing given the talent? Yes, but not failing miserably in my mind.

A good manager would have at least got to the final with that heavily stacked team. An absolute bottle merchant. Had he been clever enough to allow England victory, he would have had an easy path to the final.

 

[Papa Shango]

His signings were comfortably more misses than hits though. I mean Robles, Alcaraz, Kone, Besic, Niasse, McGeady, Rodriguez.. He inherited a side that finished 6th, added Lukaku (by pure chance btw) and finished 5th.

Yes I know all of this! That's not the point that was being made! I am talking purely about his first season and the Moyes team myth so Niasse and Besic don't count for this.

The Kone thing annoys me. People totally ignore the fact that he had a horrific injury that put him out for a year after about 30 mins of football for us. He was a decent premier league striker before that. He wasn't even THAT bad when he did eventually play for us.

There was nothing wrong with Robles at all, Alcaraz was signed as a 5th choice CB on a free. The Rodriguez signing is no different than Moyes taking a punt on the likes of Eddy Bosnar, Cody Arnoux or Anderson Da Silva. A low cost dice roll that may or may not work out.

Mcgeady was crap like.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

For me two of the best teams ever to play football are the 1982-86 Brazil team and the Hungary side of the 50's

Zero world cups between them. It happens.

Hungary didn’t win as Puskas got injured. And wasn’t there some strange refereeing in the final? They had destroyed that Germany team in the group stages.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

It’s getting us nowhere but (and I realise that I’m now demonstrating the same behaviour) there’s plainly huge concern about the direction Moshiri and the board are taking us with the appointment of Nuno. I can’t remember anything of this scale before. It’s not ‘we should see, give him a chance’ but a lot of ‘we have seen, let’s not hire *him*’ yes there are differences of opinion but… if we run a yes/no poll on Nuno what will it say?

I feel we've hired managers with less pedigree but the reaction wasn't anywhere near this bad. Its bordering on hysterical....we become a person who's been hurt in a relationship and doesn't trust anyone so won't date and hates everyone.

Again even your poll suggestion has proved my point we're constantly at odds. It's not good.

 

[Leylo]

It’s getting us nowhere but (and I realise that I’m now demonstrating the same behaviour) there’s plainly huge concern about the direction Moshiri and the board are taking us with the appointment of Nuno. I can’t remember anything of this scale before. It’s not ‘we should see, give him a chance’ but a lot of ‘we have seen, let’s not hire *him*’ yes there are differences of opinion but… if we run a yes/no poll on Nuno what will it say?

Going around in circles tho ,if it was moyes murder , Rafael murder, potter murder, I've gave up because Harry houdini we need for this squad imo

 

[MACCA75]

Al of them combined cost less than Scheiderlin, Bolassie, Klassen, Keane, Kean, Iwobi, Gbamin individually. He was trying to rebuild an aging squad with no money. In 3 years. It was a thankless task, whether you like him or not.

Prices went up massively. He made some awful signings, only Lukaku went up in value. Simple as that tbh.

 

[Drico]

Hungary didn’t win as Puskas got injured. And wasn’t there some strange refereeing in the final? They had destroyed that Germany team in the group stages.

A German reserve side. They've been masters at managing tournaments for nearly 70 years now.

 

[Saint Domingo]

His signings were comfortably more misses than hits though. I mean Robles, Alcaraz, Kone, Besic, Niasse, McGeady, Rodriguez.. He inherited a side that finished 6th, added Lukaku (by pure chance btw) and finished 5th.

24 signings in total.

Niasse Mcgeady Kone Alcaraz Tarashaj Stanek Leandro Rodriguez, Sam Byrne, Etoo, Robles, Cleverley, Galloway, Funes Mori, Bassalou Sambou, Lennon, Henen, Hunt, Foulds - 19 players who were either complete toilet or offered nothing to Everton.

Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Holgate - 5 players who were successes for him but that’s stretching it tbh for the last four names even though I like all of them. Barry and McCarthy had one good season for us then McCarthy got injured and Barry fell off a cliff. Deulofeu and Holgate were/are hot and cold.

If he hadn’t have bought Lukaku he’d be up there with Koeman as the worst manager in Everton history for transfers. Even with Lukaku, part of the reason the squad is in the state it is today is because Martinez gutted it completely replacing decent players from Moyes squad such as Fellaini Naismith Jelavic Oviedo Distin Osman Pienaar with complete and utter pap.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Yes I know all of this! That's not the point that was being made! I am talking purely about his first season and the Moyes team myth so Niasse and Besic don't count for this.

The Kone thing annoys me. People totally ignore the fact that he had a horrific injury that put him out for a year after about 30 mins of football for us. He was a decent premier league striker before that. He wasn't even THAT bad when he did eventually play for us.

There was nothing wrong with Robles at all, Alcaraz was signed as a 5th choice CB on a free. The Rodriguez signing is no different than Moyes taking a punt on the likes of Eddy Bosnar, Cody Arnoux or Anderson Da Silva. A low cost dice roll that may or may not work out.

Mcgeady was crap like.

It’s not a myth. It is a fact. Fair enough, McCarthy and Barry were good signings, but not transformative. The transformative signing was Lukaku, and he landed on our lap.

Don’t forget how great Steven Naismith was that season either.

 

[Saint Domingo]

For me two of the best teams ever to play football are the 1982-86 Brazil team and the Hungary side of the 50's

Zero world cups between them. It happens.

You’re forgetting the Leeds team from last season.

 

[Papa Shango]

What has Hibbert got to do with its? He had lost his place to Coleman. And Stones only had 15 league starts that season, so it’s not like he was the main man off the bat.

Gerry had nine league starts, while Miralles was much more of a feature.

It’s not like Bobby came in and transformed the team. We had played great stuff the previous season.

He changed the whole spine of the team! What are you on about? Stones played once Martinez figured out that Distin was actually crap. Never got the love for him, especially after the RS semi final (classic Moyes game).

I am not disputing that we played well the previous season.