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New Everton Manager

Next ex-Everton manager

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catcherintherye said:
You have to bear in mind as well, a lot of older fans don't use twitter and to a degree these forums (though this forum is certainly a better barometer than twitter for a broader swathe).

I think of my dad and he still consumes football the way he's always done, and really doesn't spend copious amounts of time looking through the internet and youtube for other teams and other managers. He will watch Sky sports news, Football focus, have a read of the Mirror (and previously the Echo when he lived up that way) and get his info that way. Probably still looks at the club website.

He was quite in favour of Nuno. He knows who he is, is aware of him and within his paradigm that is being quite "exotic" for his tastes. That's how he will do it, he will look at managers in the PL, maybe Scotland and make a call.

I don't know how this demographic will view Benitez, probably really badly but they will know him. He didn't know any of the names I put to him, but then probably 20 years ago, before the internet and the like I wouldn't have either.
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The small group of Blues I know of my age (60+) aren't that bothered ... wished it was someone else but not getting hot under the collar if you see what I mean.

Possibly by this age, you've been through things that matter a hell of a lot more? Who knows?!
 
catcherintherye said:
You have to bear in mind as well, a lot of older fans don't use twitter and to a degree these forums (though this forum is certainly a better barometer than twitter for a broader swathe).

I think of my dad and he still consumes football the way he's always done, and really doesn't spend copious amounts of time looking through the internet and youtube for other teams and other managers. He will watch Sky sports news, Football focus, have a read of the Mirror (and previously the Echo when he lived up that way) and get his info that way. Probably still looks at the club website.

He was quite in favour of Nuno. He knows who he is, is aware of him and within his paradigm that is being quite "exotic" for his tastes. That's how he will do it, he will look at managers in the PL, maybe Scotland and make a call.

I don't know how this demographic will view Benitez, probably really badly but they will know him. He didn't know any of the names I put to him, but then probably 20 years ago, before the internet and the like I wouldn't have either.
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A very good point. At a work related conference Robert Cuffe, the BBC statistician, was speaking to us and making the valid point that Twitter and social media etc tend to attract extreme ends of the spectrum of opinion and the vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle ground on most things.
 

Kev The Rat said:
Benitez has alway struck me as an arrogant and nasty man - which is why he would have no shame in walking thorugh Goodison to take charge of the club if allowed.

We can only hope that the meddler comes to his senses and listens to the fans.

As for your comment about the board 'not worrying' about fan unrest - the fans forced out Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce, and Silva - where I would suggest at least 3 of those would have been kept on longer had the fans not been up in arms.
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The only one forced out by fan opinion may have been Allyrdyce, the others were just not performing.

I see that Spurs have called off negotiations with Gattuso because of organized fan disapproval.

I have seen nothing like that at Everton.

I still think that the position is not filled and there are probably at this stage two or three preferred managers and the board is deciding between them.
I have no doubt Benitez is one,Nuno another and there may be others we know nothing about.

I am certain the leak about Rafael was a scoping exercise the more I think about it.
 
Lanolin said:
I think it’s a legitimate concern to be honest. We have no way of knowing what’s going in the boardroom so we go off reports. Many of the reports mention that he would like the job because he lives locally. Obviously they might not be true, but what else have we got to go on? There’s definitely a bit of a ‘marriage of convenience’ vibe to the whole thing, with him being out of work and available, being able to stay at home with his family etc and because of his previous connections and comments I think it’s understandable that people might wonder just how much he would really be into the project. Of course he might prove people wrong, but it’s a valid concern I think.
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All of that is possibly true but on the flip side and playing devil's advocate ( and let me make it clear I despise Benitez and find it shocking that Moshiri would even consider him) if, just if , he got the job and did well raising his own profile at the same time his local ties might persuade him against jumping ship if a super yacht like PSG etc came calling.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think there's a broader philosophical point in this really, which is has the 24/7 all encompassing football info made us any happier? Maybe people actually quite like having gatekeepers to filter their info? My mum and dad are a small sample size, but they always seem to be a bit more balanced when it comes to Everton related matters.
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No, it's pretty unhealthy really. My football intake has gone down loads in the last few years and i'm much more content.
 

PSB1 said:
The small group of Blues I know of my age (60+) aren't that bothered ... wished it was someone else but not getting hot under the collar if you see what I mean.

Possibly by this age, you've been through things that matter a hell of a lot more? Who knows?!
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I think a lot of what driver the anger is twitter. I mean I used to think forums were bad, but twitter and other social media sites are just another layer of hell in terms of fewm and anger. It ends up just winding people up more, and you probably can't have the sort of nuanced debates that are required over 280 characters. It's just people shouting catch phrases at each other.

I'd say part of it is an age thing too, you just become more balanced with age. Like you've probably seen this all before not just with Allardyce, but with Kendall MK3. It happens sometimes.

I know people hate things like the Echo and Sky Sports news/Football Focus or whatever, and a lot of the pundits aren't well versed enough but it does at least give a bit of a balanced perspective.

I try not to get too hot under the collar, and look at the fundamentals of each manager. Outside of Mark Hughes, I think all of them have some strengths, and a lot of weaknesses, so you try to balance that out as best you can. Benitez included.
 
blueblue said:
The only one forced out by fan opinion may have been Allyrdyce, the others were just not performing.

I see that Spurs have called off negotiations with Gattuso because of organized fan disapproval.

I have seen nothing like that at Everton.

I still think that the position is not filled and there are probably at this stage two or three preferred managers and the board is deciding between them.
I have no doubt Benitez is one,Nuno another and there may be others we know nothing about.

I am certain the leak about Rafael was a scoping exercise the more I think about it.
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Probably. It would worry me that they even had to scope though.
 
LocalNative said:
Imagine the songs that lot will be singing in the derby when they go 3-0 after Rafael parked the bus all game looking for a point. The list of reasons why we shouldn't hire him far outweigh those in favour of.
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Really who cares if another team might sing a song about our manager. On the other side of the coin he might do well and actually get a result against them. Do you think they will bother to sing a song then?
This clubs got bigger things to be concerned about other than opposing fans possibly singing a few songs.

On the banners.
A fully grown adult man more than likely created those banners and decided to put them up. That says it all about our fan base and the lack of intelligence within it with people thinking they are “great”.
 

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