New Everton Manager

[raib]

Who cares what the RS think?

Also, their fans don't want him at Everton.

Rafael is like a GOD to them as he won the champions league for them - if we hire Rafael (yes they can call him an Agent when we lose), but flags have his picture on them - his name is plastered on stuff. What do they bin the stuff? They are not happy if he takes the job, as this will dent Rafael status. Rafael knows all this and is prepared to take the job.

If we got brendan rogers, would they be bothered no....he does not have GOD like status with the fans (he would have if he had won the premiership with them).

 

[catcherintherye]

I agree, there is too much 'i am the biggest fan' on social media (although there seems to be a decent amount of backlash to that now with parody accounts).

I even think some of the season ticket holders of 30+ years or whatever don't even care about the football that much. They probably just like the routine.

Oh definitely yes. And I mean I don't even think it's about being the best fan, it's just about showing how much you are devoted to the club, normally by spewing inane rubbish in short bursts over twitter. I'd imagine most of the guys who have been going home and away don't bother with that. I remember when I went home and away for a few years and as you say, you really don't make a big deal of it. You're actually a bit sick of football by the time you get home and just welcome the break from it.

 

[Death]

Who cares what the RS think?

Also, their fans don't want him at Everton.

All he has to do is big us up in the presser and take a jab at Liverpool. And we will lap it up and give him a chance. Is likely he will? I'd say if he's smart he will throw a dig in somehow. Even a very subtle one.

 

[suey_11]

I don't get the Benitez rumours if he has us punching our weight 7th or 8th because it's Benitez it won't be good enough surely the board and Benitez himself will know he will not get anywhere near as much time as any of the other candidates.
I know Benitez won't mind as much as it's another payday but this has got to be part of the thought process.
the first embarrassing loss and it will carnage.

 

[catcherintherye]

Who cares what the RS think?

Also, their fans don't want him at Everton.

Yes I heard one on talksport making a knob of himself. Also seeing quite a few of their high profile fans going on about wanting to hang him on the mersey etc. That's before he's even been announced. The one's who are ok with it have this weird view he will only be doing it to sabotage us, and anything short of singing YNWA on the first press conference is likely to trigger them as well.

If you really care about RS fans, you would probably want Benitez as it is going to upset them an enormous amount. Like Imagine Howard Kendall going to Liverpool or Alan Ball going to manage Liverpool or whatever. Either way though, it's not actually a very good reason to appoint or not to appoint.

 

[Tubey]

There’s certainly a lot more to it than that. There’s a concern that he isn’t the ‘type’ of manager we need, in that he’s not really got any recent record of improving players etc. There’s the style of play, which isn’t really the type of football Everton fans enjoy (see the mounting criticism of the incredibly popular ancelotti), there’s the concern that he isn’t brands’ choice and therefore will clash with him and cause us more problems, there’s the fact that his stock has plummeted over the last 10 years or so and there’s a school of thought that his type (along with mourinho etc) has been left behind.

You’re right that it’s disingenuous to pretend there’s nothing good about Benitez, but it’s incredibly disingenuous to pretend there’s only one valid reason to be unhappy.

I said one objective reason. Taking a job in China as a 'top' football manager is objectively waving the white flag on your ambitions, instead pursuing money. It is, at best, the equivalent of taking a holiday. There's plenty of evidence of this, such as Oscar going to Shanghai in his prime for no reason other than money. Benitez will make excuses for this, but ultimately if you're a genuine top club manager you don't do it, and objectively you can't really excuse that decision.

Your other reasons are subjective opinion and/or guesswork- style of play, current ability, whose choice it is etc. There's loads of those for every candidate.

 

[raib]

Wow...

Of course he can do what he likes. I have not once said this.

He can do what he likes and there will be utter mayhem if he does this.

What are you not getting here? It would be a dumb move for him and for the club.

It's not a dumb move for the club or Rafael - he is a good a manager - he can take the club forward. He is the best choice with what's currently out there.

 

[catcherintherye]

All he has to do is big us up in the presser and take a jab at Liverpool. And we will lap it up and give him a chance. Is likely he will? I'd say if he's smart he will through a dig in somehow. Even a very subtle one.

I think this too. He actually has a number of big wins he can make at the 1st press conference. Any sort of dig at them and their heads will fall off and quite quickly he will be a hero here. Can you imagine if he said something about them not having many ST holders in the city and Everton having loads more or something like that. The fan backlash is actually a lot easier to turn around than people might think.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Anything moved forward about this supposed 4th meeting?

 

[catcherintherye]

Have you ever tried the Digital Spy forums? Brutal.
Disagreed with someone once and they wished I could have been murdered that very night.

I have no and will not. The internet seems to be filled with very angry people with not a lot else in their lives.

 

[mahermi1]

Galtier was my overall favourite for our manager, after that Nuno before Rafael for me, you have to wonder at the calibre of player Benitez could possibly attract, his reputation has took quite a dip over the last ten years, since Newcastle really, then a pointless stint in China, where it went awful for him really. I think the days of Rafael attracting, the Torres, Mascherano and Co are well gone. Nuno for me could attract better players and if that is with Mendes help so be it. I want a successful Everton team and if that ruffles a few feathers so what.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I said one objective reason. Taking a job in China as a 'top' football manager is objectively waving the white flag on your ambitions, instead pursuing money. It is, at best, the equivalent of taking a holiday. There's plenty of evidence of this, such as Oscar going to Shanghai in his prime for no reason other than money. Benitez will make excuses for this, but ultimately if you're a genuine top club manager you don't do it, and objectively you can't really excuse that decision.

Your other reasons are subjective opinion and/or guesswork- style of play, current ability, whose choice it is etc. There's loads of those for every candidate.

Said the same for a long time now myself.

Recently read he took the job as a last resort so his coaching staff could have a job.

I mean, seems disingenuous reasoning to me given he left Newcastle of his own accord but who am I to question...

 

[catcherintherye]

Kendall mk 3??? As a kid, I can remember hearing Carey got the boot for only finishing 4th.

I agree with what you say.

If you've maybe seen your daughter get married and have kids; listened in when your partner got a difficult diagnosis; been to a mate's funeral ... whatever life throws at you, you maybe don't hit the heights of outrage that some other people do.

AFAIC, Benitez / Favre / Shirley Temple ... while we still have the same players, we're screwed no matter the manager.

Kendall Mark 3 (IE his third appointment) after the shambles of going for Gray, having wanted Cruyff and ending up with Howard.

I agree with all of the above too. My partner has just been for a cancer screening which should be all ok but she's been quite unwell recently. In a scale of things Benitez or not Benitez is not that critical to me.

I don't want the guy like, but I can't get as enraged as some seem to be.

 

[Tubey]

Said the same for a long time now myself.

Recently read he took the job as a last resort so his coaching staff could have a job.

I mean, seems disingenuous reasoning to me given he left Newcastle of his own accord but who am I to question...

It's an obvious lie, same as his excuse for the small club comment.

If he was that concerned about his coaching staff, he wouldn't have been the world's third best paid manager while in China and he'd have shared the wealth wouldn't he?

He's not Mother Theresa; the man chased the money, blatantly.

 

[roy vernon]

When we put a 'middle of the road' option, that did take a big chunk from the previous 'Yes'



Benitez was only 2nd to Rangnick from all the options we've posed in a lot of polls since Ancelotti left.

I'm sure I saw a poll on here either yesterday morning or Tuesday morning. The thread was closed but at the time of closing I think about 70 votes against Benitez and 25 for him.
For what it's worth I think that is about where we are, about 70% are against this . Some are more against him than others, I am 100% against him.