New Everton Manager

[TheBigIguana]

I think in modern football to ignore supporters completely would be a big mistake. Once supporters turn it makes it very hard for a manager.

I'm not saying you dont go ahead and appoint him, but it ought to be a factor.

I see what Arsenal are doing with Arteta, an equally rabid fan base imo, and I think we can try to find a process guy as well and get time from the crowd so long as we're honest about the long term nature of things and showing some signs of progress.

Better communication would help.

 

[windymiller]

How many threads is this guy going to spam? I've got him on ignore so almost every thread ends up with an unintelligible list of exasperated responses to an idiotic, self-important blow hard. It's ruining GOT, tbh.

 

[Nymzee]

What I'm saying is if he isn't arsed now when it is all going against him surely that is a sign that in the future he'd stick to his plan even through the bumps?

Because that's what I want. One of the problems with Martinez was the first signs of trouble he started flailing and just trying things. Have a plan and stick to it.

But it's not the same situation.

Brighton are a small club, lower expectations, lack of historical prestige, there are no fans in the stadium, if it's going wrong all now all he'll get is pelters online which is normal.

You can only stick to a plan if it works though; blindly following a consistently failing plan is insanity after all.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah I get that. I'd just be really weary of ruling out a good candidate because of a tough to pin down intangible thing.

And like on Potter I'd think having his system work fairly well and not pull results but staying committed to it would be a point in the other direction, that he won't wilt when things aren't going his way.

But hey, who could possibly feel pressure at Brighton right?

Your final point is the exact problem though mate. There is no pressure at Brighton to change and get results. There will be far more at Everton. So you either have to get an understanding of how he will navigate this or if he wont, how you as his line manager are going to handle this.

What you cant do is assume what works for Brighton would work here.

If you can get clarity on the above, then that's great.

 

[orly]

Hi guys Everton are much better than Brighton

 

[roydo]

Yeah I get that. I'd just be really weary of ruling out a good candidate because of a tough to pin down intangible thing.

And like on Potter I'd think having his system work fairly well and not pull results but staying committed to it would be a point in the other direction, that he won't wilt when things aren't going his way.

But hey, who could possibly feel pressure at Brighton right?

Its not intangible though. And the opposite is true as well.

Its not on a spread sheet or an X sommet, but a decent intelligent interviewer can sniff it. Both ways. You do the easy stuff, wins, losses, style of play, that stuff. Then you sit down with him.

A while ago, I was asked to go to the hospital cos Mrs R was in a bad way. Was taken into the "family" room by the chief doctor, and I looked him in the eye and told him to tell me straight, with the reasons. And he did. No holes barred. I imagine he "knew" I could handle it based on doing that hundreds of times in his career. Its the same thing.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Your final point is the exact problem though mate. There is no pressure at Brighton to change and get results. There will be far more at Everton. So you either have to get an understanding of how he will navigate this or if he wont, how you as his line manager are going to handle this.

What you cant do is assume what works for Brighton would work here.

If you can get clarity on the above, then that's great.

Ok fine, he can't do that here.

But here's my take at that point: we're screwed. Because there is not quick fix. And if we can't accept that we need to take the time to do it right we can't ever get where we want to be.

 

[catcherintherye]

I see what Arsenal are doing with Arteta, an equally rabid fan base imo, and I think we can try to find a process guy as well and get time from the crowd so long as we're honest about the long term nature of things and showing some signs of progress.

Better communication would help.

But Arsenal are underachieving with Arteta and going backwards.

I do agree though, better comms would help a lot. Whoever the manager is, and particularly if it is a Potter type it really has to be drummed home it's a long term project. That probably requires Farhad butting out for a while though.

 

[Goat]

Hi guys Everton are much better than Brighton

But Brighton have a vastly better xG frandelino.

 

[TheBigIguana]

But it's not the same situation.

Brighton are a small club, lower expectations, lack of historical prestige, there are no fans in the stadium, if it's going wrong all now all he'll get is pelters online which is normal.

You can only stick to a plan if it works though; blindly following a consistently failing plan is insanity after all.

Yes it has to be a working plan but I kind of feel like a plan where you consistently create better chances than the opponents is that, unless of course part of what you're instructing them is to miss the chances all the time as Brighton did.

 

[orly]

But Brighton have a vastly better xG frandelino.

Our xB is vastly superior and this is the metric that the new Everton manager better respect

 

[TheBigIguana]

But Arsenal are underachieving with Arteta and going backwards.

I do agree though, better comms would help a lot. Whoever the manager is, and particularly if it is a Potter type it really has to be drummed home it's a long term project. That probably requires Farhad butting out for a while though.

I agree but the point is about the process at Arsenal. I don't believe in Arteta. But they're giving him time and a chance. We need to do that just hopefully with a better manager.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

I'm astounded how many grown men are conned by Ferguson. He is quite obviously playing this club.

He's survived several managers now, i don't blame him for that, I blame Kenwright and the clubs 'jobs for the boys' mentality...

We end up giving ex players jobs throughout the club, when we could be hiring better people to do all these roles....new managerial teams come and go, but the same old guard all keep their jobs...

Sure the club might have a 'great family environment' off the pitch, but on the pitch we've completely underachieved, and completely lost all identity....

Ferguson has become the poster boy for the standard which is acceptable...and our youth academy has stopped developing top talents (would the likes of Unsworth or Ebbrell have been given similar roles at other Top 8 Premier league clubs?)....

Like most of us, I have a fondness for Big Dunc myself from his playing days...but sentiment doesn't win trophies

 

[roydo]

Ok fine, he can't do that here.

But here's my take at that point: we're screwed. Because there is not quick fix. And if we can't accept that we need to take the time to do it right we can't ever get where we want to be.

Most accept there isnt a quick fix. Some go all weird saying throw the sink at Conte, but that aint happening. Potter may be sound, I personally would be a bit meh, but its not my money.

My concern though wouldnt be his coaching or stuff like that. He has a decent body of work that suggests he isnt too bad. But. Is he an Everton manager? Dunno.

 

[TheBigIguana]

How many threads is this guy going to spam? I've got him on ignore so almost every thread ends up with an unintelligible list of exasperated responses to an idiotic, self-important blow hard. It's ruining GOT, tbh.

We'll always have the time you tried really hard to convince me I was wrong and that Bernard was actually awesome though. We'll always have that.