New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Modern07]

The bigger issue for me is if they keep the manager in the summer. Then all the lofty hopes of ambition and competing can be put into relief given that many of the Moyesettes were telling us they simply wanted him back to keep us up. If he achieves that task, then his work here should be done. Unless the Friedkins think Everton circa 2012 should be the limit of their ambitions. I mean, fair enough, it means we'll be respectable - but any notions of truly competing will need to be put on ice. They will have shown themselves to be mainly about protecting their investment rather than maximising its potential - a bit like Moyes: conservative.

That said, I doubt he'll survive their ruthlessness for too long even if he does stay. He'll go on too many of those long winless runs to satisfy them, if their Roma behaviour is anything to go by.

This is an incredibly ridiculous viewpoint and I'm glad you're nowhere near the running of the club

 

[Drico]

By not sacking Moyes at the end of the season it shows they lack ambition?

Ok, here's the thing, anyone thinking we are gonna move into the stadium and 'boom' instantly start competing for Europe is mental.
The squad needs a complete and utter rebuild, the new stadium won't be a playing advantage early doors - likely it'll be less advantageous than playing at Goodison at least until it begins to feel like home. See any club whose moved ground fur evidence of that btw.

If Moyes within 3 years gets us to the stage of Everton 2012 and as you call it respectable, then he and TFG will have done an amazing job.

They'd have taken over a club on the verge of bankruptcy, with barely enough players to field a side by this summer, which has battled relegation for 4 seasons running, twice coming down to the last game almost to survive. And turned it into a top 5-7th side which now has respect.

And that's not enough for you?

Any notion of truly competing? For what exactly - the league title? If you think that's even ball park realistic without first becoming respectable again and entrenched in the European places eventually then I don't understand what how you see this happening?

The difference being IF Moyes does what he did last time, builds a good side, gets us competing to qualify in Europe - AND then can't push us further, that's when you can judge the owners ambitions if they settle for that or make a change

See? We've already gone from "Get Moyes in to keep us up and then we can pick from a wider choice of progressive manager" to "Make Moyes Manager For Life."

Evertonians get what Evertonians deserve.

 

[Bally1989]

Couldn’t care about the price of shares.

What I am concerned about is us playing second fiddle to Roma

 

[bluestevon]

See? We've already gone from "Get Moyes in to keep us up and then we can pick from a wider choice of progressive manager" to "Make Moyes Manager For Life."

Evertonians get what Evertonians deserve.

Only I never said that really but oh well.

When Moyes was appointed I said that two and a half years would see us become way more stable as a club and manage the transition to the new ground and building the foundations of the squad. By that time he's gonna be 64 and the club can move forward on a much more stable footing.

 

[Drico]

Only I never said that really but oh well.

When Moyes was appointed I said that two and a half years would see us become way more stable as a club and manage the transition to the new ground and building the foundations of the squad. By that time he's gonna be 64 and the club can move forward on a much more stable footing.

Moyes would be a very good candidate for the director of football role. If I was as keen as some to keep him at the club, that is where I would put him come summer. He has many qualities - especially at club-building. But it is high time we attracted a progressive modern head coach who has that little bit of daring and fantasy that Moyes, for all his solid, admirable qualities, lacks. Use the head coach to fill the gaps that Moyes has. And use Moyes to build the infrastructure of the club.

That is a plan. But parachuting in Moyes "to keep us up because we cannot really get a progressive manager in January in our current state" is quickly transmogrifying into "Isn't it great to be back in 2005 again?" Why? Because we beat Spurs's reserves?

The Friedkins need to rebuild this club come summer. Moyes could well have a role - as outlined above. But if he is the manager come the new stadium, well, any chance of a proper reset starts to fade as it exposes the new owners' lack of imagination and delays any chance of a new start.

 

[catcherintherye]

Only I never said that really but oh well.

When Moyes was appointed I said that two and a half years would see us become way more stable as a club and manage the transition to the new ground and building the foundations of the squad. By that time he's gonna be 64 and the club can move forward on a much more stable footing.

I'm also not the biggest fan of Moyes coming back. His objective was to keep us up, and ideally do so with a bit to spare to it's not life and death.

However we have put in a very good performance for 60 minutes. Spurs aren't great, but we were a lot better against them than Arsenal were.

He's changed the system, brought a lad in from the cold in OBrien who did well, and looks to have got the best out of another in Lindstrom. I think he got the team playing in a way 80% of Evertonian would be happy with.

If we can stay up, while improving performances, it's a no brainer that he stays for another year. It would be totally stupid, in the situation we are in to be sacking a decent manager, who has PL experience, experience at the club and a real affinity for the place.

I know people talk about Evertonian getting what we deserve etc, but continually sacking managers is not sensible. Personally I hope he goes the 2 years, and moves upstairs, as I think he has a lot to offer outside of managing, and we are hopefully in a position where the foundations are there for a top young coach to come in.

 

[bluestevon]

Moyes would be a very good candidate for the director of football role. If I was as keen as some to keep him at the club, that is where I would put him come summer. He has many qualities - especially at club-building. But it is high time we attracted a progressive modern head coach who has that little bit of daring and fantasy that Moyes, for all his solid, admirable qualities, lacks. Use the head coach to fill the gaps that Moyes has. And use Moyes to build the infrastructure of the club.

That is a plan. But parachuting in Moyes "to keep us up because we cannot really get a progressive manager in January in our current state" is quickly transmogrifying into "Isn't it great to be back in 2005 again?" Why? Because we beat Spurs's reserves?

The Friedkins need to rebuild this club come summer. Moyes could well have a role - as outlined above. But if he is the manager come the new stadium, well, any chance of a proper reset starts to fade as it exposes the new owners' lack of imagination and delays any chance of a new start.

Thing is I think that's knee jerking, would Moyes make a good DoF, I kinda think so, in which case he'd be putting in place his vision for the team in terms of recruitment of manager and players, that's the DoFs primary function. In which case if he remained say until either his contract finishes, until after the first full season in BMD or u til the seasons end until moving upstairs I don't see it mattering much. He stays the team will very much resemble more and more a Moyes style team the way he builds, if he moves upstairs straight away, then the team will still resemble a Moyes side the way he builds it but with a different manager in charge but one who does share similar traits to Moyes ideas.

I get it, Moyes is a mink back to plucky Everton punching s ove it's weight, and the days of Kenwright - BUT the limiting factor was Kenwright always in that scenario, he's gone and dust now - I'll judge Moyes on how he performs and the side he starts to build and I'll judge TFG by decisions they make supporting that and about how they go about restructuring a decrepit club and take it forwards. The old saying one step back two steps forward may be very apt here.

If Moyes does a good job this season (and btw I don't class a good job as being just avoiding the drop) then if they change just because they want a hipster manager in charge I'd be way more worried about them. Evaluate when we see how we finish at the end of the season and the type of recruitment do enable how we are playing.

 

[Runub]

TFG have been here a month and done nothing. It’s an outrage

 

[davek]

See? We've already gone from "Get Moyes in to keep us up and then we can pick from a wider choice of progressive manager" to "Make Moyes Manager For Life."

Evertonians get what Evertonians deserve.

Spot on mate.

 

[davek]

TFG have been here a month and done nothing. It’s an outrage

Oh they've done stuff:

• robbed a load of shareholders of thousands of pounds
• sacked a manager and spun against him to a load of Kopite hacks
• hired a washed up Scotsman who took the piss out of this club to replace said sacked manager
• spent the square root of f.a. on a threadbare squad while spending money like a drunken sailor on Roma

 

[bluestevon]

I'm also not the biggest fan of Moyes coming back. His objective was to keep us up, and ideally do so with a bit to spare to it's not life and death.

However we have put in a very good performance for 60 minutes. Spurs aren't great, but we were a lot better against them than Arsenal were.

He's changed the system, brought a lad in from the cold in OBrien who did well, and looks to have got the best out of another in Lindstrom. I think he got the team playing in a way 80% of Evertonian would be happy with.

If we can stay up, while improving performances, it's a no brainer that he stays for another year. It would be totally stupid, in the situation we are in to be sacking a decent manager, who has PL experience, experience at the club and a real affinity for the place.

I know people talk about Evertonian getting what we deserve etc, but continually sacking managers is not sensible. Personally I hope he goes the 2 years, and moves upstairs, as I think he has a lot to offer outside of managing, and we are hopefully in a position where the foundations are there for a top young coach to come in.

All good points raised mate.

My take is this, next season will be a huge transitional one, not sure if enough people realise just how big leaving Goodison will be, short term at least we won't have any sides turning up not looking forward to playing there, the opposite they'll all be really up for it. O er time yeah it hopefully will be one a place like Goodison can be, but not right if the bat it won't.

Moyes is actually a manager who will help with that transition, he dies have a a connection with the club beyond it being a job for him, and he does understand the way the fans like to see a side play.

All of that should make the move a smoother one, and yeah I do t want him here long term, but as the guy laying the building blocks down I ultimately think it was the best choice to go for.

 

[Bedfordblue]

My main dislike of Moyes is/was I have an opinion that he lowered expectations at the club when facing teams he deemed bigger than us.
I’ll be interested to see if he starts all that again after a few more losses against ‘the big boys’ quite what TFG make of it. Whatever their motivations, no doubt it’s not to finish 7th in the league and be painted as poor little Everton.

 

[Runub]

Oh they've done stuff:

• robbed a load of shareholders of thousands of pounds
• sacked a manager and spun against him to a load of Kopite hacks
• hired a washed up Scotsman who took the piss out of this club to replace said sacked manager
• spent the square root of f.a. on a threadbare squad while spending money like a drunken sailor on Roma

WOW….I was so wrong

 

[hallamblue]

My main dislike of Moyes is/was I have an opinion of that he lowered expectations at the club when facing teams he deemed bigger than us.
I’ll be interested to see if he starts all that again after a few more losses against ‘the big boys’ quite what TFG make of it. What ever their motivations, o doubt it’s to finish 7th in the league and be painted as poor little Everton.

Shopping at Aldi
Knife to a gunfight

If he starts that nonsense again he can sling his hook!

 

[davek]

My main dislike of Moyes is/was I have an opinion of that he lowered expectations at the club when facing teams he deemed bigger than us.
I’ll be interested to see if he starts all that again after a few more losses against ‘the big boys’ quite what TFG make of it. What ever their motivations, o doubt it’s to finish 7th in the league and be painted as poor little Everton.

Correct.

Everton were always thought of as a big club; the degrading of our status started with that feller spinning how fortunate we were to have him because we were 'incapable' of making it up to the top table.

Im speechless listening to him and his client journalists talking about what he did "first time round".

He got us to mediocrity. Never ever forget that. The rest is just daft spin swallowed by thick people.