New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[windymiller]

but you have no choice. if you want the club to do well you have to include the manager

I always want Everton to do well, when I criticise the ownership, the manager, or the players it's because I want better for the club. I agree I have no choice, none of us here have any influence over the club (no matter what Damo says), I'm simply expressing my disappointment. Just like you have about some of our former managers.

 

[CielosGrises]

I don't want any of them back either. What I will say about Martinez, for example, is he never talked us down. Moyes was very happy for us to remain in our place. Constantly telling us not to expect more. He's not for me. If you're happy with it, fair dues, but I'm not.

Agree Martinez was a breath of fresh air over Moyes but then he had his own faults, as we all do. On balance I'd rather have Moyes back than Martinez for our current situation but maybe he will find his glass ceiling again and we move on.

 

[windymiller]

Yeah but TFG are in charge now! So assume Moyes gets most backing he’s ever had as an Everton boss.

So come next season he won’t be able to go i’ve not been backed.

If were sat in next Jan in 16th doubt moyes will still be the boss…based on how the deal with underperformance in Rome

Well, we'll see about this bit in bold. He tried the dampened expectations gambit at Man Utd and was very quickly put back in his place by both that club's management and their fans. I'd be surprised if, in the moments where we're on bad runs, which all clubs go through, he didn't try and run that game again. He had great success with it here in the past.

 

[windymiller]

Agree Martinez was a breath of fresh air over Moyes but then he had his own faults, as we all do. On balance I'd rather have Moyes back than Martinez for our current situation but maybe he will find his glass ceiling again and we move on.

It's just treading water for me. I don't see anything in 2025 Moyes that is any different to 2014 Moyes. He's a manager you get if you want a DVD "celebrating" finishing 7th.

 

[Marius57]

Correct.

Everton were always thought of as a big club; the degrading of our status started with that feller spinning how fortunate we were to have him because we were 'incapable' of making it up to the top table.

Im speechless listening to him and his client journalists talking about what he did "first time round".

He got us to mediocrity. Never ever forget that. The rest is just daft spin swallowed by thick people.

He may have had a glass ceiling. But taking us to mediocrity (9 top 8 finishes I believe) is better than where we were when he came in, or had been for the previous decade.

Taking us back to top 8 finishes would be better than we have done for the last half decade. And doing it consistently would take us back to when he left us.

We also had an owner who could barely find 2 pence down the back of the sofa and a falling apart stadium.

Why not back him and see what he does rather than base it off something from 15 years ago.

 

[Richard Alex]

Well, we'll see about this bit in bold. He tried the dampened expectations gambit at Man Utd and was very quickly put back in his place by both that club's management and their fans. I'd be surprised if, in the moments where we're on bad runs, which all clubs go through, he didn't try and run that game again. He had great success with it here in the past.

I understand what you mean but in fairness the ManU job after Fergie was always going to be an impossible job. Ferguson knew when to get out as that team was not great.
I’m a bit mixed over Moyes coming back but one thing for sure is that he’s a huge improvement on Dyche.
Was hoping for a young decisive manager with bright ideas but we are a hard club to manage

 

[Fonzy]

Well, we'll see about this bit in bold. He tried the dampened expectations gambit at Man Utd and was very quickly put back in his place by both that club's management and their fans. I'd be surprised if, in the moments where we're on bad runs, which all clubs go through, he didn't try and run that game again. He had great success with it here in the past.

Oh i agree…i’ve not forgot him knife to a gun fight etc. however imagine TFG will have high expectations than ‘Blue Bill’

 

[Tramps_mate]

With the club set up before TFG those shares were worth whatever someone was prepared to pay for them, which seemed to settle around the reported £3,500. But there was never truly tangible value applied to them other than relative scarcity and desire to own a ‘share of Everton’

But you are right in terms of any true value of them was really decimated under Mosh. Only surprising thing was he didn’t do what TFG have done himself.

As for the guy who bought 200 of them 2 months ago, I imagine he’s having to take the proverbial haircut. More fool him laying out that sort of dough with the precarious position the club was in.

I'm presuming whoever it was that bought 200 shares thought that with a takeover the share price would rise? Now looks to have been a foolish move.

However the shares would be worth 0 now if it hadn't been for the Friedkins!

 

[CielosGrises]

It's just treading water for me. I don't see anything in 2025 Moyes that is any different to 2014 Moyes. He's a manager you get if you want a DVD "celebrating" finishing 7th.

We are nowhere near 7th though are we ?

 

[Blue peter]

Just out of curiosity what did you think those 2 things were?

One of them was probably about being wrong twice…..he was only wrong once

 

[Tipp blue]

Correct.

Everton were always thought of as a big club; the degrading of our status started with that feller spinning how fortunate we were to have him because we were 'incapable' of making it up to the top table.

Im speechless listening to him and his client journalists talking about what he did "first time round".

He got us to mediocrity. Never ever forget that. The rest is just daft spin swallowed by thick people.

I don't think that was the degrading of our status, we had some god awful teams in the years leading up to his appointment, a couple seasons where we stayed up on the last day, I think the way things are now with constant news and everyone having an opinion that they can express publicly makes us forget how crap things used to be, akin to the weather what was once a windy day has now become a threat to life deadly hurricane force wind storm. We were complete ass for a long time and to suggest that our status as a big club only vanished with Moyes in the early 2000's is nonscience. Our decent from being a big club started with the Euro ban, which saw us sign the likes of Tony Cottee who was just above average nowhere near the quality of signing that could keep a team big. We haven't been a big club in the PL era.

 

[Tipp blue]

We're all wrong at some point. I've got things wrong on here. About twice.

I've only been wrong once, that time when I taught I was wrong but I was actually right.

 

[Tipp blue]

One of them was probably about being wrong twice…..he was only wrong once

He was way off the mark about Luton last season.

 

[Blue peter]

I don't think that was the degrading of our status, we had some god awful teams in the years leading up to his appointment, a couple seasons where we stayed up on the last day, I think the way things are now with constant news and everyone having an opinion that they can express publicly makes us forget how crap things used to be, akin to the weather what was once a windy day has now become a threat to life deadly hurricane force wind storm. We were complete ass for a long time and to suggest that our status as a big club only vanished with Moyes in the early 2000's is nonscience. Our decent from being a big club started with the Euro ban, which saw us sign the likes of Tony Cottee who was just above average nowhere near the quality of signing that could keep a team big. We haven't been a big club in the PL era.

Yep, and it was then expedited with the ownership of Bill ‘I have no money but I’m intent on owning Everton’ Kenwright. Moyes is a little on the dour side, but he had to operate in the financial constraits placed on him by the most unambitious owner in the league for the time Moyes was at the club. We were not punching above our weight with the size of club we were, but we were punching above our weight with the budget he was given.

 

[Tipp blue]

Agree Martinez was a breath of fresh air over Moyes but then he had his own faults, as we all do. On balance I'd rather have Moyes back than Martinez for our current situation but maybe he will find his glass ceiling again and we move on.

Bob's first season was quite enjoyable very unlucky with the points total not to have gotten champions league.