New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Exeter_Gently]

My main dislike of Moyes is/was I have an opinion that he lowered expectations at the club when facing teams he deemed bigger than us.
I’ll be interested to see if he starts all that again after a few more losses against ‘the big boys’ quite what TFG make of it. Whatever their motivations, no doubt it’s not to finish 7th in the league and be painted as poor little Everton.

The only man who lowered expectations was the man who thought it acceptable to bring out DVDs for finishing 7th.

Moyes's had to managed expectations because he knew without investment the team would always hit a glass ceiling.

My mate like you a poster but to claim Moyes lowered expectations when in actual fact he raised them is scandalous thing to say ha.

 

[Bedfordblue]

I'm presuming whoever it was that bought 200 shares thought that with a takeover the share price would rise? Now looks to have been a foolish move.

However the shares would be worth 0 now if it hadn't been for the Friedkins!

God knows, but if they had £600k to spend on a gamble like that they either A) have plenty more to lose, or B) how the f did they get that kind of money to begin with as they must be thick as…..

 

[Bedfordblue]

The only man who lowered expectations was the man who thought it acceptable to bring out DVDs for finishing 7th.

Moyes's had to managed expectations because he knew without investment the team would always hit a glass ceiling.

My mate like you a poster but to claim Moyes lowered expectations when in actual fact he raised them is scandalous thing to say ha.

Saying he lowered expectations maybe a little missplaced, or perhaps incorrectly phased. After all, my own expectation of the team he created was he should have won something / done better with what he had.
IMO, what he did do that I didn’t like, was persistently frame Everton as underdogs and a team that couldn’t compete beyond a certain level. It’s a mindset I feel is or certainly was running through the club until very recently if not still.
It helped erode our reputation just as the EPL exploded globally, when we should have been projecting our status as founders & one of the most decorated clubs etc.
He certainly wasn’t alone in that as Kenwrights mismanagement and shortsightedness absolutely contributed too.
But that framing normalised ‘struggle’ and the inability to compete with 6 or 7 teams.
Over time that became any other team perceived to be bigger, more successful or more wealthy than Everton, so as Spurs or City, Leicester and even to some extent Brighton (ffs) have thrived, poor little old Everton have been on a downward trajectory.
And what really annoyed me was he used that pushing down of Everton’s status and reputation to elevate his own.
Each to their own though
I will be cheering on him and the team today regardless, before drinking myself stupid in disgust at my own double standards.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Saying he lowered expectations maybe a little missplaced, or perhaps incorrectly phased. After all, my own expectation of the team he created was he should have won something / done better with what he had.
IMO, what he did do that I didn’t like, was persistently frame Everton as underdogs and a team that couldn’t compete beyond a certain level. It’s a mindset I feel is or certainly was running through the club until very recently if not still.
It helped erode our reputation just as the EPL exploded globally, when we should have been projecting our status as founders & one of the most decorated clubs etc.
He certainly wasn’t alone in that as Kenwrights mismanagement and shortsightedness absolutely contributed too.
But that framing normalised ‘struggle’ and the inability to compete with 6 or 7 teams.
Over time that became any other team perceived to be bigger, more successful or more wealthy than Everton, so as Spurs or City, Leicester and even to some extent Brighton (ffs) have thrived, poor little old Everton have been on a downward trajectory.
And what really annoyed me was he used that pushing down of Everton’s status and reputation to elevate his own.
Each to their own though
I will be cheering on him and the team today regardless, before drinking myself stupid in disgust at my own double standards.

Good man...am off the booze this weekend so have one or five for me ha

 

[brieverton]

Perhaps Moyes' admission that his 2nd spell will be shorter will also see him reflecting a higher degree of ambition for the club than previous.

He can only start from here, but I don't want to hear whinging about competition and resources as that was definitely over used in his first spell.

He got time here that wasn't afforded to any other manager and for me, we were good enough to break the top four more than once. There was just a sense from Moyes that lack of money explained everything and in my view, it didn't. Not when he was given the time he got.

We need to be adding players every window and look to improve our position quite significantly over the next 1-2 seasons. TFG need to resource that improvement, Moyes needs to demand the funds and put them to best use.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't want any of them back either. What I will say about Martinez, for example, is he never talked us down. Moyes was very happy for us to remain in our place. Constantly telling us not to expect more. He's not for me. If you're happy with it, fair dues, but I'm not.

Hang on a minute, Martinez said that being the last English team in Europe one season was an achievement?!

 

[MikeH72]

We are nowhere near 7th though are we ?

We’ve just come off the back of a manager who hoodwinked a lot of people into believing 17th was an achievement. I’ve got no idea why we’ve decided to wind the clock back to 2013 with regards to our expectations. We’re basically in the same position as we were in in 2002 when he first took over, his job right now is the same as it was back then. Not 2013.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Perhaps Moyes' admission that his 2nd spell will be shorter will also see him reflecting a higher degree of ambition for the club than previous.

He can only start from here, but I don't want to hear whinging about competition and resources as that was definitely over used in his first spell.

He got time here that wasn't afforded to any other manager and for me, we were good enough to break the top four more than once. There was just a sense from Moyes that lack of money explained everything and in my view, it didn't. Not when he was given the time he got.

We need to be adding players every window and look to improve our position quite significantly over the next 1-2 seasons. TFG need to resource that improvement, Moyes needs to demand the funds and put them to best use.

Yeah he's kind of mooted himself in a roundabout way this may not be a long stay.

Someone mentioned about him potentially moving upstairs in the summer as DOF and another manager coming in under him,I think this might not be to far from the truth especially given Moyes in an interview only 2 months ago said he'd like a shot at being a DOF

Ranieri has mentioned about him doing something similar at Roma so TFG could potentially mirroring it here.

Bring in a ex manager to steady the ship then move them upstairs in summer once the dust has settled.

 

[davek]

He may have had a glass ceiling. But taking us to mediocrity (9 top 8 finishes I believe) is better than where we were when he came in, or had been for the previous decade.

Taking us back to top 8 finishes would be better than we have done for the last half decade. And doing it consistently would take us back to when he left us.

We also had an owner who could barely find 2 pence down the back of the sofa and a falling apart stadium.

Why not back him and see what he does rather than base it off something from 15 years ago.

We finished 6th under Royle...the season after we won the FA Cup under him.

As said: he successfully dumbed down expectations. That's why the Everton hierarchy love Moyes. He did their dirty work for them...and he's still doing it now.

 

[MikeH72]

We finished 6th under Royle...the season after we won the FA Cup under him.

As said: he successfully dumbed down expectations. That's why the Everton hierarchy love Moyes. He did their dirty work for them...and he's still doing it now.

You were telling us to be happy with 16th and 1 point above the drop zone the other week. You are not in a position to talk about standards.

 

[Blue Smoke]

This is a very very different landscape nowadays in the top flight. Virtually all owners are billionaires. It used to be there was a top 6 and then the rest. But nowadays virtually all premier league teams have at least one or two game changing ability players.
Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and forest..who would have believed they would be where they are now?

 

[davek]

You were telling us to be happy with 16th and 1 point above the drop zone the other week. You are not in a position to talk about standards.

No, I said it'd be good enough because safety is the only thing on offer for us.

 

[MikeH72]

No, I said it'd be good enough because safety is the only thing on offer for us.

So in what way is Moyes downplaying expectations now?

 

[rochdaleblue]

You were telling us to be happy with 16th and 1 point above the drop zone the other week. You are not in a position to talk about standards.

I’d take 16th in a heartbeat at the moment. We HAVE to be in the PL going into our new stadium.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We finished 6th under Royle...the season after we won the FA Cup under him.

As said: he successfully dumbed down expectations. That's why the Everton hierarchy love Moyes. He did their dirty work for them...and he's still doing it now.

Safety is all that has ever mattered this season. We've got to give Moyes the same allowance that we give Dyche.

To me, considering our results for 3 years - it was about getting to Bramley Moore as a Premier League team, under new owners and an inevitable rebuild.

Personally I don't want that rebuild under a manager who is renown for downplaying expectations at every turn. He's an absolute pro at it. Years after being here he'd have his club captain and self admitted teachers pet, tell the media 10th is great for a club like Everton. I hope we can start to leg that mentality this summer, after years of "god, just stay up". Ownership, context largely dictated that mindset. It shouldn't from this summer.

After years of pragmatism I'm craving some hope and pinned it on new owners from this summer. Moyes is a pretty big fly in that ointment for me, personally.