New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[mikel_88]

If Moyes keeps us up.and does it with some more good results like the Tottenham one, it would be daft to get rid of him.

We need stability.

Moyes will bring that. Feel that he would be the perfect medium term manager to get us back towards the top half or better before potentially upgrading with things looking more positive with our future.

Is a short turnover this season with so many players leaving, would leave a new manager alot to do even with a new dof maybe.

Doesn't matter. They are erratic.

Agree with you on that has shown at roma they will get rid if not good enough. I am curious what people have if we stay uo what expectations you and others have next season. Mine would be between 10-15 place in the table. 10th is just the highest i can see but unlikely

 

[davek]

Is a short turnover this season with so many players leaving, would leave a new manager alot to do even with a new dof maybe.

Agree with you on that has shown at roma they will get rid if not good enough. I am curious what people have if we stay uo what expectations you and others have next season. Mine would be between 10-15 place in the table. 10th is just the highest i can see but unlikely

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't think he'll have the opportunity to downplay expectations for too long with this group once we are in BMD. And while I tend to agree with you regarding Moyes looking forward, frankly he was not the one setting expectations the first time around.

Have to disagree mate. It's no coincidence his knife to a gunfight, went 10+ years without a win at any top 4 side. He rocked up at Man Utd who'd just pissed the league and was saying before Newcastle a point would be great. He joined Sunderland in the summer and after 10 years in the Prem, said it would be a miracle if they stayed up. Moyes always downplays expectations at every turn.

 

[hallamblue]

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

Moyes will still be in charge next season providing we stay up. In an ideal world we progress to mid table and have a cup run next season and have a squad of younger players with potential. If he can do that I'll be happy.

 

[mikel_88]

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

I think be moyes still imo even thelwell i think could be on a similar deal, i do agree with you that i do think TFG will be looking to change it but is on moyes to show he is the man for the job same witht he dof

 

[hallamblue]

Have to disagree mate. It's no coincidence his knife to a gunfight, went 10+ years without a win at any top 4 side. He rocked up at Man Utd who'd just pissed the league and was saying before Newcastle a point would be great. He joined Sunderland in the summer and after 10 years in the Prem, said it would be a miracle if they stayed up. Moyes always downplays expectations at every turn.

He's from the Allardyce/Mourinho school of management. Anything good happens he's a genius alchemist making gold out of crap players. Anything bad happens it's the useless players/limited budget.

 

[pfim]

We need to show more ambition than that. This season is about staying up. In the summer, with proper leadership - and money - in place, ambitious, competent owners should be setting sights much higher than "stability". People need to stop seeing the years of abject duysfunction as the very low bar by which we measure these owners.

Stability is fine - in the top eight. That's where we need stability. Anything else is simply delaying - or even missing - the full reset that is urgently needed as soon as we are safe.

He led West Ham to two top 7 finishes, was in Europe and won a trophy. To me the expectation for any manager is top 10 next season, push for Europe the following season. If we start slow next season we should move on (I don't follow the logic that he's only here for the last 5 months of the season).

We have an incredibly unique opportunity (or problem depending on your perspective) in that we have so many first team spots available this summer. This summer will be transformative simply because of the circumstance we find ourselves in. He shouldn't be given free reign this summer, he should have someone guiding him with a vision, and if he doesn't follow through next season I doubt he will be here very long.

 

[davek]

Moyes will still be in charge next season providing we stay up. In an ideal world we progress to mid table and have a cup run next season and have a squad of younger players with potential. If he can do that I'll be happy.

I dont see it. TFG will want to create their own history here and Moyes is someone else's manager - he'll always be Kenwright's man.

They'll get shut of Moyes and Moyes is probably ok with that: big drink for him for managing the club for a few months then back up to Scotland I'd say.

 

[hallamblue]

I dont see it. TFG will want to create their own history here and Moyes is someone else's manager - he'll always be Kenwright's man.

They'll get shut of Moyes and Moyes is probably ok with that: big drink for him for managing the club for a few months then back up to Scotland I'd say.

He's got unfinished business. Now he's actually won something with West Ham he'll desperately want to win a trophy with Everton.

 

[Drico]

He led West Ham to two top 7 finishes, was in Europe and won a trophy. To me the expectation for any manager is top 10 next season, push for Europe the following season. If we start slow next season we should move on (I don't follow the logic that he's only here for the last 5 months of the season).

We have an incredibly unique opportunity (or problem depending on your perspective) in that we have so many first team spots available this summer. This summer will be transformative simply because of the circumstance we find ourselves in. He shouldn't be given free reign this summer, he should have someone guiding him with a vision, and if he doesn't follow through next season I doubt he will be here very long.

Yes, the move to the new stadium with new owners in tow is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to build a new club: one that punches its historical weight.

Making do with a manager from 15 years ago and settling for 11th or 12th and cup exits to Gillingham will see us miss that boat. I don't see Moyes as a long-term thing for an ambitious club - so for me his continued tenure is a litmus test of our owner's true ambition. If he gets us safe by early April, I think we should be appointing a new, progressive coach by the end of the season. Move Moyes upstairs if we trust him to build the infrastructure of the club. Otherwise, put the plan that these people are supposed to have (if they are ambitious and competent) into immediate action. Then rebuild the squad.

I see no point limping along with Moyes. When the time comes to sack him, we'll be in a similar position of panicking or being under pressure. Make the change in the summer and go in hard on "the plan". That is, if there is one...

 

[pfim]

Have to disagree mate. It's no coincidence his knife to a gunfight, went 10+ years without a win at any top 4 side. He rocked up at Man Utd who'd just pissed the league and was saying before Newcastle a point would be great. He joined Sunderland in the summer and after 10 years in the Prem, said it would be a miracle if they stayed up. Moyes always downplays expectations at every turn.

Again, though, he won't be here long if he does that with TFG in my opinion. If he rocks up in August and says we're fighting for our survival in our first season at BMD, he'll be shown the door. They seemed to have taken Dyche at his word at the beginning, and once he lost faith they moved on to the point that he was fired on a match day (and rightly so if that's how it went down). I honestly believe they will be patient as long as everyone is rowing in the same direction, in the absence of that they will make changes.

And while it got very old the first time around, frankly he wasn't wrong. He was hamstrung by the finances, and short of throwing his boss under the bus (which we'd all enjoy but isn't realistic for an employee to do and keep his job), I don't know how else he was to present it.

And Sunderland were in League One the season after he left. Some might call that realism.

Still, at the end of the day, he has a ceiling and I hope the owners realize that. He won't be taking us to the Champions League.

 

[Toffeepot]

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

Can someone slap a lemon head on this please? Davek's working his magic again

 

[davek]

He's got unfinished business. Now he's actually won something with West Ham he'll desperately want to win a trophy with Everton.

We'll see.

I believe we'll have a new manager in by the summer.

 

[Tipp blue]

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

I highly doubt we'll be getting a new manager, he wasn't given a two and a half year deal with the intention of punting him after the half year, if performances don't improve and we are still in relegation trouble in the last few weeks then punt him in the summer, if performances improve and we can enjoy the last 5 or so Goodison games without thinking about going down then he will have earned a stay.

 

[devon_blue]

Exactly. Moyes represents managed decline. He's brilliant at it. But that's what he does. He manages decline.

Of all the managers in all of the world, if he is the one leading us into that new stadium then that tells us all we need to know about the new owners. What a paucity of imagination and ambition that would be. Sure, bring him back to keep us up. But when that job is done, and the waters have calmed, we need to see ambition backed up by action. The time for "protecting the investment" will have passed. And it will be time to begin exploiting its full potential.

West Ham European trophy is managed decline?