New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[pfim]

I dont see it. TFG will want to create their own history here and Moyes is someone else's manager - he'll always be Kenwright's man.

They'll get shut of Moyes and Moyes is probably ok with that: big drink for him for managing the club for a few months then back up to Scotland I'd say.

They hired Ranieri back at Roma and Moyes at Everton. I don't think they particularly care who gets the job done.

 

[davek]

They hired Ranieri back at Roma and Moyes at Everton. I don't think they particularly care who gets the job done.

Neither will be manager for much longer.

 

[Matelot]

Dyche has gaslit so many people on here, it's truly astonishing.

Imagine talking about Moyes downplaying expectations for Everton, after we've just got rid of someone who has a PHD in it.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Again, though, he won't be here long if he does that with TFG in my opinion. If he rocks up in August and says we're fighting for our survival in our first season at BMD, he'll be shown the door. They seemed to have taken Dyche at his word at the beginning, and once he lost faith they moved on to the point that he was fired on a match day (and rightly so if that's how it went down). I honestly believe they will be patient as long as everyone is rowing in the same direction, in the absence of that they will make changes.

And while it got very old the first time around, frankly he wasn't wrong. He was hamstrung by the finances, and short of throwing his boss under the bus (which we'd all enjoy but isn't realistic for an employee to do and keep his job), I don't know how else he was to present it.

And Sunderland were in League One the season after he left. Some might call that realism.

Still, at the end of the day, he has a ceiling and I hope the owners realize that. He won't be taking us to the Champions League.

If he does it when taking over Alex Ferguson's Man Utd, he'll do it here in my view. It's not a case of "well he was Everton manager..." He's not changing who he is as the oldest manager in the league for TFG.

 

[Fonzy]

Next season is hard to predict: new manager and new players of decent quality = top half.

Anything less than that = bottom half.

Plus the effect of new ground…where it will take a while to feel like home

 

[windymiller]

We are nowhere near 7th though are we ?

Clearly not but neither should it be the limit of our ambitions.

 

[mikel_88]

We'll see.

I believe we'll have a new manager in by the summer.

Dont think anyone can say wrong becuase is a chance wonder if the de rossi stuff at roma has made them think twice tho. About sacking like that can see him leaving at end of his deal or well results bad.

 

[mikel_88]

Again, though, he won't be here long if he does that with TFG in my opinion. If he rocks up in August and says we're fighting for our survival in our first season at BMD, he'll be shown the door. They seemed to have taken Dyche at his word at the beginning, and once he lost faith they moved on to the point that he was fired on a match day (and rightly so if that's how it went down). I honestly believe they will be patient as long as everyone is rowing in the same direction, in the absence of that they will make changes.

And while it got very old the first time around, frankly he wasn't wrong. He was hamstrung by the finances, and short of throwing his boss under the bus (which we'd all enjoy but isn't realistic for an employee to do and keep his job), I don't know how else he was to present it.

And Sunderland were in League One the season after he left. Some might call that realism.

Still, at the end of the day, he has a ceiling and I hope the owners realize that. He won't be taking us to the Champions League.

Dont think he will say that as already spoke of what position he wants us in and is not fighting for relegation. Agree prob does have a ceiling but champion league is far away at this point. For me is him getting us mid table, try win the cup as with every everton manager. Then hooefully build frm the conference league upwards in europe

 

[Ferguson1878]

I read yesterday that Friedkin is a 'big game hunter' who likes to shoot lions and elephants. Is this true?

Yes

 

[pejic]

Yes

Shameful stuff

 

[Drico]

West Ham European trophy is managed decline?

It's the exception that proves the rule.

Roberto Martinez won a trophy at Wigan. Only @davek would have him back.

 

[devon_blue]

It's the exception that proves the rule.

Roberto Martinez won a trophy at Wigan. Only @davek would have him back.

Their 3 best league finishes in last 10 years too

 

[Marius57]

We finished 6th under Royle...the season after we won the FA Cup under him.

As said: he successfully dumbed down expectations. That's why the Everton hierarchy love Moyes. He did their dirty work for them...and he's still doing it now.

Kind of proving my point here.

1 top 10 finish in 10 seasons in the PL before Moyes took over.

9 top 10 (top 8) finishes in 11 seasons with Moyes.

5 top 10 finishes in 11 seasons since Moyes.

And yet he is the one who lowered expectations?

 

[devon_blue]

Agreed it had gone a bit stale at end of his tenure and agreed he downplayed expectations at points, but the team were over performing on very limited investment with no sense of change any time soon at that point. Martinez lucked out in his first season, adding firepower to a well organised squad. Found out the next as the wheels began to come off.

Moyes definitely bought kenwright a lot of time, and he underperformed at utd. Sunderland were already a basket case when he arrived, not that he helped matters much, but he did good solid work at West Ham and delivered good results for them. Don’t get the negativity 2 games in when we’ve suffered the misery of this season so far. Worth giving him the benefit of the doubt

 

[Blue peter]

The size of the club does not matter, it’s the funds you are given to be competitive that’s important. He built a decent side slowly, but he was right to manage expectations with what the side could manage when our so called historic peers were spending more than they had ever done to keep up with the nouveau riche clubs in Chelsea and Man City.

At the time they were spending what, four of five times our spend? If he’d downplayed expectations spending big money, that would have been a different matter. Everton as a club wasn’t punching above the clubs weight, but finishing something like 5th twice, 6th three times etc spending an average net spend of about £5m per year was. Everytime some really showed their talent they mostly ended up joining more financially successful clubs so there was also a constant replacing of the better players.