New Everton Stadium

[mikewex]

In Spain teams get fined for not positioning the empty seats out of the view of the main camera, you could have the whole bullens empty at Goodison but it would look full on MOTD under these rules. Bit unfair on fans who are paying good money to watch a game and have to sit in a poor seat, while there are thousands of good ones empty imo.

That must have been entertaining camera work at the Elche game!

 

[ryanbeno80]

In one of our THST meetings it was said that Levy fully investigated how worthwhile a roof was and found it would bring in no return at all and it's very rare games are called off for bad weather nowadays with how well drained and maintained the playing surfaces are.

On the other hand the retractable playing surface puts our new stadium in a unique position of being able to host a music concert a matter of hours before a game while others can't host anything at all really during the season.

Could be a good idea for Everton, would almost make the new ground a default venue in the north.

If the weather was bad enough to require the roof to be closed, the game would be called of anyway due to the safety of the fans traveling to the game (which is why most prem games are called of these days)..

Retractable pitches are great ideas though, good for the health of the pitch aswell!

 

[Barnfred 55]

You're a little ray of sunshine you are.

His comments were a bit OTT but read between the venom and there are some elements of truth in what he says.

Two questions need to be asked.

1) How many extra season tickets can we sell.
2) How many extra casual supporters can we attract.

The corporate hospitality figures are important to our match day income but will not have a great effect on attendance or capacity.

1) With season tickets you have to account for the fact that we have just achieved our highest ever sales on the back of a successful campaign aimed at the younger fans, plus we reduced our prices this year. Lots of people on here commenting on Man City and West Ham ST prices, but you need to remember that neither have a brand new very expensive stadium to pay for. General consensus is that it will cost between £400/450m for a club that is only likely to turn over around £150m pa, even with the new TV deal. There will be an element of long term debt taken out which needs to be serviced, realistically, from increased advertising and match day revenues. I can therefore only see us increasing ST prices for the new stadium, not reducing them. I'd be happy if we were able to increase out ST sales to 40,000 which is an increase of 25% on the current levels.

2) I don't have any figures on the casual supporter but, assuming that we give 3k to the away team, we normally sold between 6/8k each week. I don't have any details on membership/Forever Everton numbers (maybe somebody can enlighten us) but say there may be 30/40k individuals that share these seats over a season. One has to assume that some of these have been responsible for the big increase in ST sales this season, and likewise should we increase our ST sales in the new stadium. I'd be happy if we sold between 10/15k casual tickets per game depending upon the opponents but I believe even this is optimistic. You have to take into account we had less than 25k at the Yeovil game and 30k at Norwich the other night.

I'm a believer that too may empty seats will not look great, not to mention the stick we'll get from the RS which will be inevitable (you have to live and work in Liverpool to fully get this). I doubt we'd fill a 55k stadium more than a handful of games a season and anything bigger than this is not needed at the moment. Whilst it hurts, we have to accept the fact that we are based in a two team city and probably close to 2/3 of the population support the other team sadly.

My personal view is that we build something between 50/55k, but in a way that is relatively easy to build on should future demand dictate.

 

[Gladystweet]

His comments were a bit OTT but read between the venom and there are some elements of truth in what he says.

Two questions need to be asked.

1) How many extra season tickets can we sell.
2) How many extra casual supporters can we attract.

The corporate hospitality figures are important to our match day income but will not have a great effect on attendance or capacity.

1) With season tickets you have to account for the fact that we have just achieved our highest ever sales on the back of a successful campaign aimed at the younger fans, plus we reduced our prices this year. Lots of people on here commenting on Man City and West Ham ST prices, but you need to remember that neither have a brand new very expensive stadium to pay for. General consensus is that it will cost between £400/450m for a club that is only likely to turn over around £150m pa, even with the new TV deal. There will be an element of long term debt taken out which needs to be serviced, realistically, from increased advertising and match day revenues. I can therefore only see us increasing ST prices for the new stadium, not reducing them. I'd be happy if we were able to increase out ST sales to 40,000 which is an increase of 25% on the current levels.

2) I don't have any figures on the casual supporter but, assuming that we give 3k to the away team, we normally sold between 6/8k each week. I don't have any details on membership/Forever Everton numbers (maybe somebody can enlighten us) but say there may be 30/40k individuals that share these seats over a season. One has to assume that some of these have been responsible for the big increase in ST sales this season, and likewise should we increase our ST sales in the new stadium. I'd be happy if we sold between 10/15k casual tickets per game depending upon the opponents but I believe even this is optimistic. You have to take into account we had less than 25k at the Yeovil game and 30k at Norwich the other night.

I'm a believer that too may empty seats will not look great, not to mention the stick we'll get from the RS which will be inevitable (you have to live and work in Liverpool to fully get this). I doubt we'd fill a 55k stadium more than a handful of games a season and anything bigger than this is not needed at the moment. Whilst it hurts, we have to accept the fact that we are based in a two team city and probably close to 2/3 of the population support the other team sadly.

My personal view is that we build something between 50/55k, but in a way that is relatively easy to build on should future demand dictate.

Nah, he's a rotter and a scoundrel and he needs to turn that frown upside down..the big grumpy pants.



























You make some good points though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Yeah but Liverpool don't have a roof lad

I wouldn't want to sat in the top tier of that thing in January btw.

 

[joey_macmo]

60k? 55k?
Apologies, but there are some proper biffs on here.
There isn't a [Poor language removed] cats in hells chance we'd sell out.
Look at man city's ground, when partially empty it looks awful.
Build what you can sell.......we can fill 50k tops.
Get [Poor language removed] real and stop pretending we're not what you think we are.

You said the other day you'd be happy with 45k which would only be about 1500 more general admission seats on top of what we are going to sell on a weeknight v Palace.

You need to look in the mirror when you're calling people biffs mate with all due respect.

 

[The binman chronicles]

The likes of Wembley, City of Manchester don't struggle to pull the big acts.. If you want an indoor gig go the Echo, the stadium will only be used for concerts in the summer when the weathers sound anyway..

This is a football stadium first and foremost, don't want it to be built as multi use stadium (we've all seen what can happen their)and a top football stadium will naturally attract plenty of extra revenue anyway..

As for the winds on the Mersey, I'm sure games in a big enclosed arena will be less open to the wind than games at goodison are now anyway, even if it is on the river.

Of course they don't but when there are multiple large stadia in the same area all vying for the same act if one has a roof would you not think that might a deciding factor? At the moment the Etihad is the go to arena for big gigs but no one likes standing for 4 hours getting soaked and for the sake of driving 30 mins down the road you could take that out of the equation.

I've been to a few concerts in the summer and got wet, no guarantees just because it's July that your feet stay dry!

I'm not saying that we want or need a roof it's just another indication of ambition. Something that costs more money for little return but they do it anyway to make a statement. Whether they do or not who knows.

 

[joey_macmo]

People in this thread seem to be wilfully ignoring the issue of cost.

A 65,000 seater stadium would cost significantly more than a 55,000 seater stadium if both were built to the same standard. As promising as Moshiri's statements have been I doubt he's going to write us a blank cheque for the construction of a new ground so that money, and thus that debt will be an issue.

It makes far more sense to build a great stadium with room to expand if and when we are successful than to take a huge gamble on future success. If we get to where people think Moshiri wants us to be then funding expansion would not be an issue.

Living within your means, to an extent, is important.

But expanding from 55k increases the costs exponentially. It's these extra costs that people are humbling of so rather than ignoring them they are actually taking them into account to a greater degree than you are.

 

[Gladystweet]

But expanding from 55k increases the costs exponentially. It's these extra costs that people are humbling of so rather than ignoring them they are actually taking them into account to a greater degree than you are.

Yup. I asked that question the other day. Surely it would be cheaper to make a 60k than make a 50k that is designed to be expanded....in the long run?

 

[joey_macmo]

In all honesty we are nowhere near as big as Liverpool. You go anywhere in the UK and you meet Liverpool fans not Everton fans. In all honesty Liverpool could regularly average 80k. The only issue they have is their support is declining as not winning the league in 27 years has meant they are less popular than say 30 years ago relative to other teams.

That being said, if we had a bit of success we could sell 60k no issue.

Liverpool 80k!?!?!?

They couldn't even sell out big new stand opening day against the champions. It's getting harder to shift spares, don't listen to Danny down the pub whose been on the waiting list for 10 years.

The game tomorrow isn't even sold out yet

 

[arch stanton]

I wouldn't want to sat in the top tier of that thing in January btw.

i would if it meant that i could get in. Its been years since I was a season ticket holder and as an occasional visitor these days, getting tickets is a massive problem,. By the time I know I can attend a game there are often fookall decent tickets left if you want to sit together. We have a visitor coming from New Zealand soon and he wants to go to a game or two but I have my doubts whether we can get tickets. Massive shame and I don't think I am alone.

When I retire in 6 years, I will be a season ticket holder again, hopefully in our new massive sexy stadium

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

i would if it meant that i could get in. Its been years since I was a season ticket holder and as an occasional visitor these days, getting tickets is a massive problem,. By the time I know I can attend a game there are often fookall decent tickets left if you want to sit together. We have a visitor coming from New Zealand soon and he wants to go to a game or two but I have my doubts whether we can get tickets. Massive shame and I don't think I am alone.

When I retire in 6 years, I will be a season ticket holder again, hopefully in our new massive sexy stadium

I meant the new stand at the pit mate.

Ours will be fine, as all the stands will be the same height, so you won't have one exposed to the elements.

 

[Brennan]

But expanding from 55k increases the costs exponentially. It's these extra costs that people are humbling of so rather than ignoring them they are actually taking them into account to a greater degree than you are.

No.

I'm saying that you don't necessarily build the largest possible stadium you can afford, for various reasons.

See Crystal Palace, apparently looking to build a 40,000 seater because it fits their short to medium term needs. Building a 55,000 seater would be our equivalent. An extra 10,000 seats would take years to pay for themselves, never mind make us money.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

So some people want too restrict our hopes because RS divvies might laugh at a few empty seats. Isn't this just accepting their view of us anyway. Jesus ,grow a pair, if they make nasty comments just tell em to do one and growl a bit, in my experience that'll send em scuttling back under the rock they crawled from . There are genuine arguments for and against, but what the RS may say? Do me a favour.

 

[catcherintherye]

Liverpool 80k!?!?!?

They couldn't even sell out big new stand opening day against the champions. It's getting harder to shift spares, don't listen to Danny down the pub whose been on the waiting list for 10 years.

The game tomorrow isn't even sold out yet

I'd be surprised if they didn't average high 70's if they had say an 85k stadium. Could be wrong though.