New Everton Stadium

[blue61]

Had a meeting yesterday with an Isle of Man Government official who held extensive negotiations with Peel over the new IOM ferry berth (terminal) adjacent BMD.

We talked about the new stadium and he was extremely confident everything is in place & there are several Peel Executives (who happen to be Blues) driving this on as well.

A long way to go but this looks like the point in our history where we become a force again.

Just a snippet, nothing more - thought I'd share.

MB

 

[MickA]

Probably the biggest aesthetic difference we might encounter would be a roof or at least a feeling of being in an enclosed space. We've never had that at Goodison. The two US stadia on the last few pages even without the roof closed look like they would be intimidating (if tweaked for footy).

The best stadiums I've been to at pitch side almost envelope you (Bernabeau, Millenium in Cardiff). The noises coming from Meis suggest he recognises this too.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Further to the recent posts about the Superbowl Venue being very smart, I've been checking out some of the ultra-modern US stadiums currently in use. Here is next year's Superbowl venue - The US Bank Arena, Minnesota. Capacity of 66'000 (expandable to 73'000 for certain events). It is based on Nordic architecture (as the Vikings US Football team play there), hence the strange angular design.

I found this segment from Wikipedia entry particularly interesting: The translucent roof and large wall panels also give fans a view of downtown Minneapolis.[15] The glass operable wall panels will allow the stadium to experience some of the outdoor elements while providing protection from the snow, rain, and the cold winter weather....

It's a very striking design, I'm certain. Very flashy and modern. What do forum members think?

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This would be amazing if it would be tweaked for proper football... close to the pitch and steeper bottom tier.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Seat depths (legroom), riser heights (height of each row), and shallowness and steepness. It seems people have getting these all confused.


Seat depth in the Gwladys Street and generally older stands and converted terraces are 660mm. The Park End is 700mm, somewhere like the Emirates is probably around 860-900mm. I think the recommended nowadays is 760mm.


Legroom is great for the sitters, but bad for the standers who want to be closer to the action, and closer to each other.


Riser Heights, stands are generally parabolas meaning they're shallower at the front, and steeper towards the back. The Gwladys St's risers are around 5 inches at the front to 7 inches at the back. The Park End and other new stands are around double that.


The Gwladys Street and older stands generate a better atmosphere as fans are closer to each other and closer to the action. They are shallow stands. ie small legroom and small riser heights meaning there are more fans per unit.


When fans ask for a steep stand because they want the fans closer to the pitch its not quite making sense but I think that they mean they want tighter legroom.


If you have fixed leg room, then how are bigger riser heights (steeper) going to make you closer to the action than smaller riser heights (shallower)?


If you fixed a riser height, then having larger leg room would make the stand shallower, so that would make fans further from the pitch and apart from each other. I think this what people are asking against when they ask for a steep stand.


However you would have a fixed seat depth for a stand and vary the riser height not the other way around.


That's a basic of it, there is more to it in terms of then calculating sightlines, overall distance of the pitch from the last seat, and there are minimum regulations that they have to meet.


So if you want fans closer to the action and closer to each other to try and replicate Goodison, then you should be asking for the minimum seat depths, and the minimum riser heights the sightlines will allow, asking for a steep stand is asking for something different.

 

[Jacko93]

Seat depths (legroom), riser heights (height of each row), and shallowness and steepness. It seems people have getting these all confused.


Seat depth in the Gwladys Street and generally older stands and converted terraces are 660mm. The Park End is 700mm, somewhere like the Emirates is probably around 860-900mm. I think the recommended nowadays is 760mm.


Legroom is great for the sitters, but bad for the standers who want to be closer to the action, and closer to each other.


Riser Heights, stands are generally parabolas meaning they're shallower at the front, and steeper towards the back. The Gwladys St's risers are around 5 inches at the front to 7 inches at the back. The Park End and other new stands are around double that.


The Gwladys Street and older stands generate a better atmosphere as fans are closer to each other and closer to the action. They are shallow stands. ie small legroom and small riser heights meaning there are more fans per unit.


When fans ask for a steep stand because they want the fans closer to the pitch its not quite making sense but I think that they mean they want tighter legroom.


If you have fixed leg room, then how are bigger riser heights (steeper) going to make you closer to the action than smaller riser heights (shallower)?


If you fixed a riser height, then having larger leg room would make the stand shallower, so that would make fans further from the pitch and apart from each other. I think this what people are asking against when they ask for a steep stand.


However you would have a fixed seat depth for a stand and vary the riser height not the other way around.


That's a basic of it, there is more to it in terms of then calculating sightlines, overall distance of the pitch from the last seat, and there are minimum regulations that they have to meet.


So if you want fans closer to the action and closer to each other to try and replicate Goodison, then you should be asking for the minimum seat depths, and the minimum riser heights the sightlines will allow, asking for a steep stand is asking for something different.

Its all about the 'C' value I understand.

 

[Norwegian Cow]

I never read this thread, so a quick summary please. How far have we come regarding the new stadium? Ty.

 

[kithnou]

I never read this thread, so a quick summary please. How far have we come regarding the new stadium? Ty.

Nowhere. Come back in a few months.

 

[tommye]

I never read this thread, so a quick summary please. How far have we come regarding the new stadium? Ty.

Try reading it then. All the information required is contained within.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Its all about the 'C' value I understand.

Yes. That's it. Thank you.

So if you make that stand there steeper, as people are asking to make it closer to the action, you are increasing the riser heights so actually making fans further from the action and from each other, so in effect getting the opposite to what they're asking for.

 

[Norwegian Cow]

Try reading it then. All the information required is contained within.

Helpful as always tommye

 

[tommye]

Helpful as always tommye

 

[Penno]

Its all about the 'C' value I understand.

Look at the wabs on C Value.

 

[The Cowboy]

Here's an idea: have seats that have two different height settings, so kids can actually see the game.

 

[Jacko93]

Here's an idea: have seats that have two different height settings, so kids can actually see the game.

Or issue Everton kids booster seats with Jr season tickets

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Here's an idea: have seats that have two different height settings, so kids can actually see the game.

Not a bad idea that.