New Everton Stadium

[Jacko93]

Yes. That's it. Thank you.

So if you make that stand there steeper, as people are asking to make it closer to the action, you are increasing the riser heights so actually making fans further from the action and from each other, so in effect getting the opposite to what they're asking for.

Its this value that leads to the most efficient stadium type being a bowl. If you see at wembley, they have kept the rake as low as possible, with staggered seating allowing it.

 

[The Cowboy]

Or issue Everton kids booster seats with Jr season tickets

Yeah, good idea and probably cheaper.

 

[Jacko93]

Yeah, good idea and probably cheaper.

The good idea was yours mate, mine was merely a secondary option....

 

[MickA]

Yes. That's it. Thank you.

So if you make that stand there steeper, as people are asking to make it closer to the action, you are increasing the riser heights so actually making fans further from the action and from each other, so in effect getting the opposite to what they're asking for.

You'll never get a new stand built with the rake of the St End, it just isn't designed for seating. That said there's nothing to stop us making the seating 'tighter' at various parts of the stadium to try and foster that feeling of togetherness.

 

[Togger Blue]

Or issue Everton kids booster seats with Jr season tickets

Excellent idea. The kids can learn at an early age how to lob the booster seats on the pitch after a 'booing' game! Blues for life - sorted.

 

[The Cowboy]

You'll never get a new stand built with the rake of the St End, it just isn't designed for seating. That said there's nothing to stop us making the seating 'tighter' at various parts of the stadium to try and foster that feeling of togetherness.

Curved stands? i.e. the rake increases ever-so-slightly with each row.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Its this value that leads to the most efficient stadium type being a bowl. If you see at wembley, they have kept the rake as low as possible, with staggered seating allowing it.

There's a maximum recommended distance the very last row of seats has to be. I think its 90m from the centre spot? Plus as well the maximum steepness is about 34 degrees.

Also to maintain c values it means that every 15-20 rows the stand will be slightly steeper. So in a huge stadium you'll have about 5 different gradients before reaching your maximum 34 degrees.

It also means for a super sized stadium you don't have a great deal of flexibility over the gradient of the stands.

For us then if we start off steep, it may be a sign that we're not expanding, as we'd reach the maximum steepness early on.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

You'll never get a new stand built with the rake of the St End, it just isn't designed for seating. That said there's nothing to stop us making the seating 'tighter' at various parts of the stadium to try and foster that feeling of togetherness.

I know, I just use it as an example we can all relate to. You're spot on as always Mick. Totally agree about getting the seating as tight as regulations allow in various parts.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Curved stands? i.e. the rake increases ever-so-slightly with each row.

It's around every 15-20 rows a stand goes ever so slightly steeper.

 

[RobSpurs]

There's a maximum recommended distance the very last row of seats has to be. I think its 90m from the centre spot? Plus as well the maximum steepness is about 34 degrees.

"Seats should be no more than 190 metres away from the furthest point of action in football, namely the far corner flag."

That should be easily achievable though in a c60k stadium.

 

[anton66]

Look at the wabs on C Value.

Also known as the 36C value. (a full handful)

 

[The Cowboy]

Its all about the 'C' value I understand.

The sightlines would not be parallel, they would converge, as the near touchline would be the starting point for all sightlines.

So N would need be larger than described in the image.

(I think)

 

[Big Neville Southall]

"Seats should be no more than 190 metres away from the furthest point of action in football, namely the far corner flag."

That should be easily achievable though in a c60k stadium.

Thanks Rob, I was only 100m out, plus had the wrong point of action!
I'd like us to pre design an 80,000 stadium but only build 60,000 of it, so it might be significant.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

The sightlines would not be parallel, they would converge, as the near touchline would be the starting point for all sightlines.

So N would need be larger than described in the image.

(I think)

Yes that's my understanding of it, so the stands are a parabola, getting slightly steeper every so often at the point where it converges.

 

[Jacko93]

There's a maximum recommended distance the very last row of seats has to be. I think its 90m from the centre spot? Plus as well the maximum steepness is about 34 degrees.

Also to maintain c values it means that every 15-20 rows the stand will be slightly steeper. So in a huge stadium you'll have about 5 different gradients before reaching your maximum 34 degrees.

It also means for a super sized stadium you don't have a great deal of flexibility over the gradient of the stands.

For us then if we start off steep, it may be a sign that we're not expanding, as we'd reach the maximum steepness early on.

I don't think we'll need to expand after the initial build anyway.