Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
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Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
1. Redevelop - how is rebuilding Goodison on a land locked site, with all of the costly difficulties that brings, together with losing capacity as each stand is replaced, going to work out any cheaper than building a fresh stadium on an empty site? Oh and naming rights.....
2. Where? and why? Isn't the docks the best site available and the most likely to generate more than just match day revenue, by being where it is?
3. With what? Every year that goes by we fall further behind our peers who have larger capacities, infinitely more corporate revenue and simply better facilities for their fans, replacing Goodison is not only about increasing revenue, it's about replacing a facility that simply isn't of the required standard in the modern day PL.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We have a billionaire who has stated that a two year squad strengthening window of opportunity is here to bring our level of quality up. That will do for starters.
Growth in football is random and you can see its rate in as many decades as you care to research. I remember
taking a deep breath when Juventus paid 60,000 pounds for John Charles and an even deeper breath when
Brian Clough spent a million for Trevor Francis. It hasn't stopped and won't stop.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Average English top flight attendances in the last half century or so...
2016 37,000
2000 30,000
1992 22,000
1985 18,000
1973 30,000
1968 33,000
...you get the picture.
Do you have no problem with Moshiri paying for players himself even if we fall foul of FFP but don't want him organising money for a staduium
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Why would we fall full of FFP this season when we have a lot of spare capacity in terms of player wages?
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
How is the low point of English football in the mid 80's relevant to this discussion?
A period in the game when it was beset with hooliganism, fans in cages, racism, violence etc - how does that compare with the modern PL era of all seater stadia, record attendances, the massive corporate market etc etc etc ad infinitum????
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If I'd extended beyond the 1968 season average gate you;d have also seen the next downturn in gates.
The point being that the industry - like ALL industries - goes through vicissitudes in trade and demand for its services.
Overall point: there are NO CERTAINTIES that we can use to believe that a half billion pound debt over 40 years will not be a problem for us at any point.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
We went through a pretty big recession I didn't see many empty seats at the Emirates or Old Trafford despite their tickets being way more expensive. If the value is there and with mothly payment plans for season tickets I can't see that being an issue. If we ramp up the costs to the supporters like the other lot across the park thats another thing but that doesn't appear to be happening with us.
You listed capacities that were probably down because of hooliganism, ways of getting in without going through the turnstiles and the fact that football wasn't really something that the whole family do compared to nowadays. If the bottom fell out of the premiership market completely it would help us over the others with their 100 million pound kit deals and mass support abroad. I believe it would make it more likely we could be successful thus generating more tickets sales for us.
Llyrap
Player Valuation: £5m
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
No doubt things go up and down but still nothing that would wipe out our income to not be able to afford the repayments and even if that was the case the council will be covering it.
If they have seen the business plans and are happy to cover it so should you be. You keep mentioning half a billion but it doesn't remain half a billion unless you pay interest only. We have to have a 5 year slush fund to cover for the troughs, the TV deal income covers 3 years at least so there is already 8 years out of 40 sorted. I would bet my house it will remain good for another 7 on top by which time we will owe 300 million.
If at that point it costs 800 million to build that sort of stadium i reckon we can be fairly pleased with ourselves.
Still you are missing the point that there are clubs knocking around in League 1 that can afford 15 million a year and whatever happens to the market it will still be above that level.
billytoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
Some serious weight loss going on in here - could be a new angle for @GrandOldTeam to make a few quid to keep the Servers churning!
GOTs answer to slimming world - there's a few half stone stickers getting handed out at this weeks weigh in!
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
If a £15m annual repayment becomes unsustainable due to a colossal downturn in the fortunes of English football then the entire league would be up the brown creek.
The game may see a dip in TV revenues at some point, but your angle here isn't the biggest risk in terms of our ability to fund the repayment anyway, as that would be relegation......
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...and that can never happen...of course.