New Everton Stadium

[BoysInBlue]

Again...Didnt we announce WHP in that share holders meeting - or something - ...???

Yes. The tentative plan is there. The official word is that the club are trying to put a funding package together and will be releasing architect plans at the end of the season, with a planning application expected to be submitted by September 2015.

Nothing has changed since this was the last official word. A lot is going on in the background.

What people need to understand is that we're rapidly reaching the '[Poor language removed] or get off the pot' point, because doing nothing is no longer an option.

Liverpool & Spurs have started their stadium rebuilds and West Ham move into their new stadium at the start of 16/17. If we want to try to remain a top 6/7 club, we will need to do something.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Yes. The tentative plan is there. The official word is that the club are trying to put a funding package together and will be releasing architect plans at the end of the season, with a planning application expected to be submitted by September 2015.

Nothing has changed since this was the last official word. A lot is going on in the background.

What people need to understand is that we're rapidly reaching the '[Poor language removed] or get off the pot' point, because doing nothing is no longer an option.

Liverpool & Spurs have started their stadium rebuilds and West Ham move into their new stadium at the start of 16/17. If we want to try to remain a top 6/7 club, we will need to do something.

Thanks mate. Like you said there's surely lots happening in the back ground ...and naturally our peeps know how important this is to our club. Theres no backing from this.

 

[bigbadjeff]

I was at a Q&A session with ESCNI and a delegation from Everton, last Fri night and brought up the fiasco of KD and Kirby. When they were asked about new stadium plans, nothing was said.

 

[TheFinnFan]

I was at a Q&A session with ESCNI and a delegation from Everton, last Fri night and brought up the fiasco of KD and Kirby. When they were asked about new stadium plans, nothing was said.

That doesnt mean anything, doesnt it

 

[Kiwi]

I was at a Q&A session with ESCNI and a delegation from Everton, last Fri night and brought up the fiasco of KD and Kirby. When they were asked about new stadium plans, nothing was said.

Because we haven't yet laid a planning application. We've got the ok from the council to pencil in WHP and present plans, hence we've been trying to lay the groundwork through meeting with resident groups e.t.c but the planning process takes some time. We will be presenting this as all part of a regeneration project with social housing, and commercial developments as well as revitalising the playing fields and providing other leisure options however this all takes time to line up the different partners for these things and create the full application. Once the application has been formalised later this year I think we'll hear more from the club. Until then the club will be keeping stuhm as they don't want to raise expectations for something that hasn't gone past the early planning stages. Not sure how much ESCNI would know anyway, the EFCSA are the people to find out from as by being shareholders they get more of an inside loop into things.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Because we haven't yet laid a planning application. We've got the ok from the council to pencil in WHP and present plans, hence we've been trying to lay the groundwork through meeting with resident groups e.t.c but the planning process takes some time. We will be presenting this as all part of a regeneration project with social housing, and commercial developments as well as revitalising the playing fields and providing other leisure options however this all takes time to line up the different partners for these things and create the full application. Once the application has been formalised later this year I think we'll hear more from the club. Until then the club will be keeping stuhm as they don't want to raise expectations for something that hasn't gone past the early planning stages. Not sure how much ESCNI would know anyway, the EFCSA are the people to find out from as by being shareholders they get more of an inside loop into things.

Thank you. Great info for the dummies like me

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Blues.

The current regime couldn't build a big tent in the Park End car park.

There's no chance they'll deliver anything substantial.

The only chance of this happening is if LCC drive it forward, which I doubt...

 

[bigbadjeff]

This, in bucket loads

 

[davek]

The WHP fiasco suits the owners of this club down to the ground. They know they can drag this out for years and make it look like they're doing something on the stadium front and that it'll get knocked on the head eventually through resident protest.

The name of the game for them remains as it always has been: to sell the club for a massive profit, and to do that they dont want to have to pay anything toward a stadium to entice a takeover. If someone wants to pay and build one for them - fine. If not they'll sit on this 'asset' and hope to attract people who see the constant rise in tv revenue as a green light to chance their arm with a big bid.

15 years these people have been in charge - 15 years when English football clubs in the top flight have had the vault to Fort Knox thrown open to them in order to achieve what they want regarding infrastructure. Everton's board of directors have had literally hundreds of millions of pounds pass through their hands in that time and look where we are: leasing a training facility and still at a ground they refuse to upgrade or move away from.

I dont know about HSBC getting Panorama reports on it, I wish some journos would get stuck into what the owners of this club have been up to with their Other Operating Costs and bridging loans via mysterious offshore finance vehicles. No one can tell me we haven't had the cash to build a stadium three or four times over by now.

 

[davek]

Blues.

The current regime couldn't build a big tent in the Park End car park.

There's no chance they'll deliver anything substantial.

The only chance of this happening is if LCC drive it forward, which I doubt...

Is the correct answer.

 

[mrb85]

The WHP fiasco suits the owners of this club down to the ground. They know they can drag this out for years and make it look like they're doing something on the stadium front and that it'll get knocked on the head eventually through resident protest.

The name of the game for them remains as it always has been: to sell the club for a massive profit, and to do that they dont want to have to pay anything toward a stadium to entice a takeover. If someone wants to pay and build one for them - fine. If not they'll sit on this 'asset' and hope to attract people who see the constant rise in tv revenue as a green light to chance their arm with a big bid.

15 years these people have been in charge - 15 years when English football clubs in the top flight have had the vault to Fort Knox thrown open to them in order to achieve what they want regarding infrastructure. Everton's board of directors have had literally hundreds of millions of pounds pass through their hands in that time and look where we are: leasing a training facility and still at a ground they refuse to upgrade or move away from.

I dont know about HSBC getting Panorama reports on it, I wish some journos would get stuck into what the owners of this club have been up to with their Other Operating Costs and bridging loans via mysterious offshore finance vehicles. No one can tell me we haven't had the cash to build a stadium three or four times over by now.

Spot on Davek.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Blues.

The current regime couldn't build a big tent in the Park End car park.

There's no chance they'll deliver anything substantial.

The only chance of this happening is if LCC drive it forward, which I doubt...

Everton are useless but LCC are actually driving this.

It's the first stadium plan we've ever had that LCC have got fully behind.

History isn't a good indicator for it actually coming to fruition, but sooner or later something will have to happen.

Even from the basic point of view as the EFC owners protecting their investment - if they don't solve the stadium problem their investment will decline. Spurs & especially West Ham will pull ahead of us financially and in stature.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Everton are useless but LCC are actually driving this.

It's the first stadium plan we've ever had that LCC have got fully behind.

History isn't a good indicator for it actually coming to fruition, but sooner or later something will have to happen.

Even from the basic point of view as the EFC owners protecting their investment - if they don't solve the stadium problem their investment will decline. Spurs & especially West Ham will pull ahead of us financially and in stature.

Good point about LCC
pretty critical for anything to go forward like

 

[marty mcfly]

The WHP fiasco suits the owners of this club down to the ground. They know they can drag this out for years and make it look like they're doing something on the stadium front and that it'll get knocked on the head eventually through resident protest.

The name of the game for them remains as it always has been: to sell the club for a massive profit, and to do that they dont want to have to pay anything toward a stadium to entice a takeover. If someone wants to pay and build one for them - fine. If not they'll sit on this 'asset' and hope to attract people who see the constant rise in tv revenue as a green light to chance their arm with a big bid.

15 years these people have been in charge - 15 years when English football clubs in the top flight have had the vault to Fort Knox thrown open to them in order to achieve what they want regarding infrastructure. Everton's board of directors have had literally hundreds of millions of pounds pass through their hands in that time and look where we are: leasing a training facility and still at a ground they refuse to upgrade or move away from.

I dont know about HSBC getting Panorama reports on it, I wish some journos would get stuck into what the owners of this club have been up to with their Other Operating Costs and bridging loans via mysterious offshore finance vehicles. No one can tell me we haven't had the cash to build a stadium three or four times over by now.

I don't think you realize but for them to sell Everton for a big profit they have to build the stadium first. They know that.

The only problem before now is not having the money to do so because none of them wanted to personally fund it - or even could personally fund it given how the share capital works. Bill on 27% wouldn't allow a board member on 5% fund it because that would require inflating Bill's % down to say 10% and that board member's up to say 12% leaving Bill no longer in charge. Another board member could loan the club money but he would have to demand too much interest in return for that investment to make sense.

That's the problem with having a chairman with no money. He doesn't have the money to invest but he also doesn't want to loose control because he knows in time whoever sells Everton will make a mint.

Anyway now the TV money is promised over the next number of years I fully expect the board to fund a stadium. It makes footballing sense and business sense.

It might not even be that bad for us as a team since we have a lot of younger players all with large potentials and more coming through however the big danger is that some of those players might not want to wait.

It's a balancing act and will all depend on this summer's signings. We have a few positions in the squad however if we fill those we have a team that doesn't need improved for 2 or 3 years that will get better together.

 

[davek]

I don't think you realize but for them to sell Everton for a big profit they have to build the stadium first. They know that.

The only problem before now is not having the money to do so because none of them wanted to personally fund it - or even could personally fund it given how the share capital works. Bill on 27% wouldn't allow a board member on 5% fund it because that would require inflating Bill's % down to say 10% and that board member's up to say 12% leaving Bill no longer in charge. Another board member could loan the club money but he would have to demand too much interest in return for that investment to make sense.

That's the problem with having a chairman with no money. He doesn't have the money to invest but he also doesn't want to loose control because he knows in time whoever sells Everton will make a mint.

Anyway now the TV money is promised over the next number of years I fully expect the board to fund a stadium. It makes footballing sense and business sense.

It might not even be that bad for us as a team since we have a lot of younger players all with large potentials and more coming through however the big danger is that some of those players might not want to wait.

It's a balancing act and will all depend on this summer's signings. We have a few positions in the squad however if we fill those we have a team that doesn't need improved for 2 or 3 years that will get better together.

I dont think that's true. The cash pouring in from revenues makes it a very lucrative business regardless of stadium build. By the time the foreign tv revenue is added to the pot it'll be about two and a half billion quid going to the PL each season, with each club getting about £35M for each of the three seasons just from tv cash. The rules in place are going to severely cut the amount of this revenue that can go on players wages and agents fees. The need for a new stadium wouldn't complicate matters if the club in question was solid and guaranteed to retain PL status. It'd be a hassle for incoming owners to deal with, yeah, but not something that would be put a road block on a deal.