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New Everton Stadium

Davideeyore said:
Yeah this is on the last page from GwladysBlue; the link was about 4-5 months ago - I don't know who Buro Happold are but they are not Meis so not sure if it's reliable. Don't forget this link was released with images which were of course someone's designs from a stadium design competition. Of course it would be folly to think Meis hasn't got a design he's say so that they won't release images until they know they can deliver.
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They are consultants. In my mind the drawings have come through Meis been fed into BH, Who then can try and spot any problems with the movement of people/flooding etc.
 
HongKongToffee said:
We need to build past 60K.

The RS will have their ground at 61K for the 20-21 season with the Annie Road End expansion.

No point spending all this money if we build a ground smaller than them,has to be 65-70k range IMHO and have the biggest and best stadium in the city.
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is what a kopite pretending to be a blue would say to make us look obsessed with them.
 
Dabluez said:
I like the sentiment but the bigger the capacity the more expensive the final seats become. It costs more to build seats high up in the gods and they have the worst views and subsequently you get to charge the lowest prices for them. Building those costly seats with the lowest return also means we would have to take on a bigger debt and means we would have less money to spend on players for a longer time frame.

Personally I think it would be more sensible to go for a modular extendable Stadium of around 50k, pay the debt down more quickly and as the revenue streams increase extend the Stadium. At the moment we only sell out because we have very cheap season ticket prices especially for younger fans.

It might not be as exciting but it is more financially prudent and puts the future of the Club at far less risk. Especially when you take it account the groundswell of support for safe standing.
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Disagree entirely.

We sell out because there is a demand for tickets. When I had an U-11 ST back in 2002ish, it was £105. I doubt that the removal of £15 to the current £90 for a U-11 ST has got the gates swelling.

Our prices have always been very consistent and don't tend to go up a lot. I can't remember there ever being a big hike, certainly not since I've been going since the 90s.

The more fans in the stadium, the more money the club makes through selling food, drinks, etc.

Your suggestion of a 50k capacity is ridiculous. Practically every big club is thinking big on their stadiums, and you want to put us below Newcastle United?

It will be more expensive to expand in the future with the rise in inflation and the consequences of Brexit. The time to build is now.

Look at what Kings Dock cost in 2003 and then look at what we're looking st 15 years later for BMD. We have to get it right now, because any later could see the costs soaring past the £1bn mark.
 
We all have our viewpoints. I personally couldn't care less what the RS stadium capacity was but I do think if we set ours at say 50,000 or even 55,000 it says so many negative things. Would suggest to me the club isn't ambitious enough, doesn't think we are on a par with the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal, more level with the likes of Newcastle and West Ham. It would say the club doesn't think we could fill it and maybe we don't have the fan base. It would be all a bit underwhelming. And at odds with the rhetoric about unique etc etc.

I think 65,000 if it's less then someone said 61878 well that would have a nice ring to it. For me it's a one off once in a 100 years we have to make a statement. Need to build with ambition of being the best even though on the pitch we're useless. Just got an email from the club about the survey so they'll be giving us some feedback after it closes and has been passed to Meis..
 

Dabluez said:
I like the sentiment but the bigger the capacity the more expensive the final seats become. It costs more to build seats high up in the gods and they have the worst views and subsequently you get to charge the lowest prices for them. Building those costly seats with the lowest return also means we would have to take on a bigger debt and means we would have less money to spend on players for a longer time frame.

Personally I think it would be more sensible to go for a modular extendable Stadium of around 50k, pay the debt down more quickly and as the revenue streams increase extend the Stadium. At the moment we only sell out because we have very cheap season ticket prices especially for younger fans.

It might not be as exciting but it is more financially prudent and puts the future of the Club at far less risk. Especially when you take it account the groundswell of support for safe standing.
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Stopped reading after 50k
 
roydo said:
Thought they had jibbed that off cos the only way they wanted to fund it was through ticket price rises. And that didnt go down too well last time they tried a big hike.
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"Fan first" was the terminology on funding. lol

Before Christmas LFC said it would be built and they were weighing up a variety of funding options, though. I'd expect it to go ahead.

FSG hold the debt on the Main Stand and it's theirs to pay off rather than the club (no doubt something easily covered if/when LFC get sold for a billion and a half or whatever).

Big difference between that, though, and "here's your £600M bill".
 
I'm getting to the point where I don't care about the capacity or size of the stands, I just want a good view, not have to queue for the loo and a bit of decent food.
Maybe a better roof aswell as I will get soaked tomorrow.
 
roydo said:
Thought they had jibbed that off cos the only way they wanted to fund it was through ticket price rises. And that didnt go down too well last time they tried a big hike.
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It’s back on again now apparently with some “premium seats” in there somewhere. I’m pretty shocked tbh as they’re struggling to shift all their corporates now as it is.
 

joey_macmo said:
It’s back on again now apparently with some “premium seats” in there somewhere. I’m pretty shocked tbh as they’re struggling to shift all their corporates now as it is.
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Is it? Oh well.

As for corporates, think many clubs have problems getting companies to fork out the figures that get bandied about. United the exception most likely. I know for a fact the company I used to work for had premium tickets/debs/boxes at Old Trafford, Millenium Stadium, Murrayfield, Newcastle, (iirc), and a few others. Arsenal as well.

Doubt they have the football ones now, but as they are the Lions sponsor would guess the Rugby ones still stand.
 
GwladysBlue said:
Disagree entirely.

We sell out because there is a demand for tickets. When I had an U-11 ST back in 2002ish, it was £105. I doubt that the removal of £15 to the current £90 for a U-11 ST has got the gates swelling.

Our prices have always been very consistent and don't tend to go up a lot. I can't remember there ever being a big hike, certainly not since I've been going since the 90s.

The more fans in the stadium, the more money the club makes through selling food, drinks, etc.

Your suggestion of a 50k capacity is ridiculous. Practically every big club is thinking big on their stadiums, and you want to put us below Newcastle United?

It will be more expensive to expand in the future with the rise in inflation and the consequences of Brexit. The time to build is now.

Look at what Kings Dock cost in 2003 and then look at what we're looking st 15 years later for BMD. We have to get it right now, because any later could see the costs soaring past the £1bn mark.
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For 16/17 we had an average attendance of 39,310 that gave us a matchday income of just £14.5m. That constituted of the 19 Home League games, 1 FA Cup game and 2 League Cup games. That works out at around 650k per game which is just over £16 a seat.

Those kind of prices simply cannot pay for a £5-600m Stadium. It is pie in the Sky. Even if you trebled the match day revenue and spent the entire lot on paying off the Stadium it would still take 10-12 years to pay off the Stadium.

The only way it makes sense is to hugely increase the revenue per seat. That means a far bigger concentration of Corporate facilities combined with much higher ticket prices. I agree that cheap tickets especially for junior blues is a fantastic thing but the figures simply don't add up.

So I think it is more sensible to have a smaller initial Stadium that requires much less funding and for us to grow as the age of the fan base matures. The financial numbers simply don't add up for a 60-65k Stadium. Surely a 50k Stadium which generates enhanced revenues through corporates and higher ticket prices is better than a 65k pipe dream that will be canned because the numbers don't add up.
 
Dabluez said:
For 16/17 we had an average attendance of 39,310 that gave us a matchday income of just £14.5m. That constituted of the 19 Home League games, 1 FA Cup game and 2 League Cup games. That works out at around 650k per game which is just over £16 a seat.

Those kind of prices simply cannot pay for a £5-600m Stadium. It is pie in the Sky. Even if you trebled the match day revenue and spent the entire lot on paying off the Stadium it would still take 10-12 years to pay off the Stadium.

The only way it makes sense is to hugely increase the revenue per seat. That means a far bigger concentration of Corporate facilities combined with much higher ticket prices. I agree that cheap tickets especially for junior blues is a fantastic thing but the figures simply don't add up.

So I think it is more sensible to have a smaller initial Stadium that requires much less funding and for us to grow as the age of the fan base matures. The financial numbers simply don't add up for a 60-65k Stadium. Surely a 50k Stadium which generates enhanced revenues through corporates and higher ticket prices is better than a 65k pipe dream that will be canned because the numbers don't add up.
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10 years to pay the stadium off!?

Try 25-30 years at least, no wonder you couldn’t get the figures to add up
 
Dabluez said:
For 16/17 we had an average attendance of 39,310 that gave us a matchday income of just £14.5m. That constituted of the 19 Home League games, 1 FA Cup game and 2 League Cup games. That works out at around 650k per game which is just over £16 a seat.

Those kind of prices simply cannot pay for a £5-600m Stadium. It is pie in the Sky. Even if you trebled the match day revenue and spent the entire lot on paying off the Stadium it would still take 10-12 years to pay off the Stadium.

The only way it makes sense is to hugely increase the revenue per seat. That means a far bigger concentration of Corporate facilities combined with much higher ticket prices. I agree that cheap tickets especially for junior blues is a fantastic thing but the figures simply don't add up.

So I think it is more sensible to have a smaller initial Stadium that requires much less funding and for us to grow as the age of the fan base matures. The financial numbers simply don't add up for a 60-65k Stadium. Surely a 50k Stadium which generates enhanced revenues through corporates and higher ticket prices is better than a 65k pipe dream that will be canned because the numbers don't add up.
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I'm not going there with the capacity again end up with people abusing you like.... But surely the finance of the stadium is not reliant on gate income? I mean I think you're half way there about the sums not adding up so the gate income isn't financing the stadium (so to speak). The ticket prices I'd hope will still be reasonable for all the reasons we know about in this part of the world me included I can't afford to go much.
 

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