New Everton Stadium

[Kieno]

You didn't say the work would take more than one year. You said "we would be at least 2 seasons out of GP". This is a completely different thing to say and that is what I was taking issue with. Slightly changing your argument might work at 2 in the morning in a bar with a load of drunk people but it doesn't work on the internet when people can go back and read your previous posts.

If you bothered to put what I said into contest, I was talking about us having to move out of Goodison. If the work takes more than one year, meaning it breaks into a second actual season, it means we would be out of Goodison for at least 2 seasons. If we started a second season with Anfield, City of Manc Stadium or wherever as our designated home ground, we would have to stay there for the entire season regardless of when GP would be useable again. You are not allowed to change your home venue during a season. Smart ass fail.

 

[MickA]

Why would Everton need to move out of Goodison for redevelopment when no other team has?

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Why would Everton need to move out of Goodison for redevelopment when no other team has?


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I think it depends how the redevelopment was done, if you look at some of the options that people have come up with, redevelopment involves things like rotating the pitch, which may be difficult to do if the place is still operational.

Some options involve knocking down each stand in turn and rebuilding them, in a phased redevelopment, though this may take much longer to do, it might be possible for Everton to stay at Goodison while the work is carried out.

Back in 2009 some people produced some video's showing how this could be done. You can still see these video's at the website below;

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?page=videos

If you watch the first video from about 6:45, it explains the phasing.

 

[cjuk87]

Any day now...

 

[Bluesnapper]

I think it depends how the redevelopment was done, if you look at some of the options that people have come up with, redevelopment involves things like rotating the pitch, which may be difficult to do if the place is still operational.

They, Everton FC that is, dig the pitch up at the end of every two/three seasons. Realigning the pitch will not be any different.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

If you bothered to put what I said into context,

I put what you said entirely in context.

I was talking about us having to move out of Goodison. If the work takes more than one year, meaning it breaks into a second actual season, it means we would be out of Goodison for at least 2 seasons. If we started a second season with Anfield, City of Manc Stadium or wherever as our designated home ground, we would have to stay there for the entire season regardless of when GP would be useable again. You are not allowed to change your home venue during a season.

I know you were, (and OK, so I misunderstood your obfuscated rephrasing of your point) but more than one person has already pointed out that moving hasn't been necessary when other top teams have re-developed their stadiums.

You also made some other negative criticisms, which were answered but you are now ignoring.

 

[blueblue]

J E.
Can I ask you why the board believe they need to leave Goodison to go to a new ground if the arguments for stay are as viable as you say ?
The board will have taken advice on all available options. I think it would be easier for them to redevelop Goodison as complications such as planning,local opposition would not be obstacles to overcome.
Either way a new Goodison or a new ground increases the value of the club and guess who benefits most...members of the board.

If it were better and easier to develop Goodison I feel this board would be all over it like a rash. After all WHP is at a minimum our third attempt at getting a new ground.

I go to Croke Park in Dublin for hurling games whenever my county(Cork) is playing. It is a modern stadium and the facilities are excellent, but the opportunities to make money from the fans is also outstanding. There are restaurants, shops etc in spacious surroundings with relatively crowding which do a roaring business. I compare the facilities there to the nooks and crannies available at Goodison and there is simply no comparision.

I am well aware that Croke Park has a far greater capacity than any stadium we will build , but I believe that whatever size stadium we do build we will need a far bigger footprint than Goodison to allow for the space needed for Restaurants , shops and bars in comfortable and spacious surroundings.
We possibly could redevelop Goodison(I am not qualified to comment , we will have a pitch and stands but how much space will be available for the other money making sides of our club ?

 

[joey_macmo]

J E.
Can I ask you why the board believe they need to leave Goodison to go to a new ground if the arguments for stay are as viable as you say ?
The board will have taken advice on all available options. I think it would be easier for them to redevelop Goodison as complications such as planning,local opposition would not be obstacles to overcome.
Either way a new Goodison or a new ground increases the value of the club and guess who benefits most...members of the board.

If it were better and easier to develop Goodison I feel this board would be all over it like a rash. After all WHP is at a minimum our third attempt at getting a new ground.

I go to Croke Park in Dublin for hurling games whenever my county(Cork) is playing. It is a modern stadium and the facilities are excellent, but the opportunities to make money from the fans is also outstanding. There are restaurants, shops etc in spacious surroundings with relatively crowding which do a roaring business. I compare the facilities there to the nooks and crannies available at Goodison and there is simply no comparision.

I am well aware that Croke Park has a far greater capacity than any stadium we will build , but I believe that whatever size stadium we do build we will need a far bigger footprint than Goodison to allow for the space needed for Restaurants , shops and bars in comfortable and spacious surroundings.
We possibly could redevelop Goodison(I am not qualified to comment , we will have a pitch and stands but how much space will be available for the other money making sides of our club ?

no public money then i'd imagine

 

[TheFinnFan]

goodison is unique. there must be strong case against its redevelopment, if it could be done why on earth would our board want to ship us out? it should be a lot sheaper than putting up whole new stadium...
theres something we dont know. something that forces us to ditch redevelopment plans.

 

[Moomin]

goodison is unique. there must be strong case against its redevelopment, if it could be done why on earth would our board want to ship us out? it should be a lot sheaper than putting up whole new stadium...
theres something we dont know. something that forces us to ditch redevelopment plans.

It's because we are looking for partners to run with it for us as we can't do anything by ourselves because we are useless.

 

[TheFinnFan]

It's because we are looking for partners to run with it for us as we can't do anything by ourselves because we are useless.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

J E.
Can I ask you why the board believe they need to leave Goodison to go to a new ground if the arguments for stay are as viable as you say ?
The board will have taken advice on all available options. I think it would be easier for them to redevelop Goodison as complications such as planning,local opposition would not be obstacles to overcome.
Either way a new Goodison or a new ground increases the value of the club and guess who benefits most...members of the board.

If it were better and easier to develop Goodison I feel this board would be all over it like a rash. After all WHP is at a minimum our third attempt at getting a new ground.

I go to Croke Park in Dublin for hurling games whenever my county(Cork) is playing. It is a modern stadium and the facilities are excellent, but the opportunities to make money from the fans is also outstanding. There are restaurants, shops etc in spacious surroundings with relatively crowding which do a roaring business. I compare the facilities there to the nooks and crannies available at Goodison and there is simply no comparision.

I am well aware that Croke Park has a far greater capacity than any stadium we will build , but I believe that whatever size stadium we do build we will need a far bigger footprint than Goodison to allow for the space needed for Restaurants , shops and bars in comfortable and spacious surroundings.
We possibly could redevelop Goodison(I am not qualified to comment , we will have a pitch and stands but how much space will be available for the other money making sides of our club ?

We don't want bars and restaurants. We've got pubs and chippys.

 

[MickA]

J E.
Can I ask you why the board believe they need to leave Goodison to go to a new ground if the arguments for stay are as viable as you say ?
The board will have taken advice on all available options. I think it would be easier for them to redevelop Goodison as complications such as planning,local opposition would not be obstacles to overcome.
Either way a new Goodison or a new ground increases the value of the club and guess who benefits most...members of the board.

If it were better and easier to develop Goodison I feel this board would be all over it like a rash. After all WHP is at a minimum our third attempt at getting a new ground.

Don't want to reply for @JordanianEmbassy but the below may help.....

http://www.keioc.net/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=201&cntnt01returnid=130

"Mr Roger Lancaster, the barrister representing Sefton, West Lancs' and St Helens Council's, then began his cross examination. Mr Lancaster asked why Everton should receive a cross subsidy from money derived from public land; “would you expect Woolworth's to be given such a subsidy to help them?” Robert Elstone replied, wittily, that he wasn't familiar with their business model!


Mr Lancaster then examined Everton's methods of raising their financial contribution towards the stadium construction cost; Mr Lancaster asked if Everton had considered a rights issue, Robert Elstone explained that the Club hadn't because it was not affordable on top of the £78m figure that their advisors had indicated was achievable. Mr Lancaster then enquired if a sale and leaseback scheme on the stadium had been considered, “No it hadn't” was the reply. Mr Lancaster then referred to the applicant's own DTZ report which stated that the major shareholders had no intention of selling their interest in the Club. Robert Elstone pointed out that selling shares would not raise funds for the club just the shareholders. Mr Lancaster focused his attention on Bill Kenwright's statement at the recent EGM concerning the sale of the club to a billionaire and the apparent engagement of Keith Harris of Seymour Pierce; Robert Elstone refuted this adding that the club hadn't engaged Seymour Pierce or anyone else. It was established that the club is for sale, although this is not mentioned in any of the 6,000 pages of the planning application. Mr. Lancaster hypothesized that if the club was sold, there wouldn't be a requirement for the £52M cross subsidy; the £52M wouldn't be needed. Mr. Lancaster asked, “What happens if a Manchester City occurred the day after this inquiry closes?” Robert Elstone replied, “Who knows?” Mr Lancaster asked about average attendances in recent Premier League fixtures, indicating that no game had an attendance of 50,000 and only Manchester United and Arsenal actually had gates of that magnitude, Robert Elstone explained that Newcastle, Sunderland and Manchester City have those capacities and that Liverpool, Tottenham and Chelsea plan to develop grounds with that capacity.


Mr Lancaster, now in full flow, then suggested that Everton were trying to steal a march over their rivals by getting a bigger stadium, a stadium that they can't afford. He established that no investment had gone into GP in the last thirteen years and that it wouldn't cost that much to improve facilities. He finished off by suggesting to Robert Elstone that if a private business received £52m from a council and then its owners sold up and made an increased profit due to that money, “there would be a public outcry wouldn't there?” “Perhaps” replied the Everton CEO".

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

J E.
Can I ask you why the board believe they need to leave Goodison to go to a new ground if the arguments for stay are as viable as you say ?
The board will have taken advice on all available options. I think it would be easier for them to redevelop Goodison as complications such as planning,local opposition would not be obstacles to overcome.
Either way a new Goodison or a new ground increases the value of the club and guess who benefits most...members of the board.

If it were better and easier to develop Goodison I feel this board would be all over it like a rash. After all WHP is at a minimum our third attempt at getting a new ground.

Thats an excellent question. I can only guess at an answer - which is that the board have ulterior motives.

The post above gives one clue about what these could be (ie they feel they can personally make alot more money by building a new stadium with outside funding and then selling the club)

There could be other reasons, but certainly the arguments against re-development that have been presented so far don't make any sense.

 

[Bluesnapper]

With ST renewal/applications down and poor results over the season I would have thought the board will have unveiled by now 'Operation WHP new stadium pictures' to bring the feel good factor back.

As its hasnt happened I reckon the odds are increasing day by day on their NOT being any plans to move.

Now we see Everton employees associating themselves and the club by signing up to follow a womans Twitter account who dared to criticise the worlds greatest Evertonian and his cronies. Hard men these people abusing a woman over the internet et al.

If those pictures are not released over the next few weeks those odds will tumble further.

Wonder whose fault it will be this time when this ground move hits the rocks?