New Everton Stadium

[GwladysBlue]

What I find the most upsetting about this latest setback is how little they think of this fanbase.

This has all been planned for a good few months now once they realised Stadium Move No.3 was a dud.

They sent out the 'financial expert' to inform us all that we do not require a new stadium, to lower the expectations and basically to tell us that this is as good as it gets. That sent the feelers out to the fanbase already. Beaten down through years upon years of false dawns.

Why there aren't thousands organising protests is beyond me. We had the Blue Union, a group who set out to get the best for this club, what did the media do? Laugh at them for wanting better. I was at that demonstration a few seasons back and there was a good turn out there, the media weren't interested. Graham Sharp, the club's lap dog labelling it 'One man and his dog'.

It should be headline news that founding members of both the Football League and the Premier League, multiple title winners are now in this position.

Change is needed before it is too late, if a club like Newcastle can be relegated (and could be again tomorrow) then we certainly can.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Pipe down super fan

Nothing super fan about it. If you can't see what is going on after multiple stadium failures and any plans the board try to do failing then you never will see it.

Go place your head back in the sand.

 

[Tubey]

The Blue Union were not an asset to achieving the change we need. It wasn't headed by anyone with any subtlety or intelligence - filming the chairman on a mobile phone outside the ground and laughing at him achieves nothing, nor does secretly recording and the publishing notes from a private meeting.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think any fan movement at that time could have done much better, but they made more mistakes than anything else they did.

 

[bizzaro]

I'm not affiliated with Blue Union or anyone else. I simply say this. I watch football finance related matters carefully.

example: Aston Villa almost being relegated for the last 3-4 years. .... everyone recalls previous comments in advance of that.


I predict if we do not get this stadium sorted within 3 years the club will be put at a massive disadvantage to our rivals. Something I don't think we can come back from.

I am highly critical of Elstone and Kenwright now as I feel they are insulting my intelligence. (and everyone else's)

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The problem mate is that he has said funding isn't in place, despite the hullabaloo about identifying a location, beginning work and so on.

Basically, it has all the hallmarks of a King's Dock situation again. Grand promises, no substance. No LCC funding nailed down, no naming partner, no club funding. Nothing.

There's no plans in place mate, as the thing isn't even costed yet, so how could you have formal funding in place at this juncture? The board haven't even decided it's for them yet, how can they when there's no costs on the table?

I get people being sceptical of the current lot being able and willing to deliver a new stadium given their history, but it think far too much is being read into a few words from Elstone here.

In any case, as soon as planning was granted I'd fully expect them to sell up and do one anyway.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Nothing super fan about it. If you can't see what is going on after multiple stadium failures and any plans the board try to do failing then you never will see it.

Go place your head back in the sand.

You're not intelligent enough to have a balanced view son, there's some real patronising for you there lad.

 

[GwladysBlue]

You're not intelligent enough to have a balanced view son, there's some real patronising for you there lad.

There is nothing balanced about watching the team I support go to the dogs.

At what point will you realise they're not leading the club in the right direction? They couldn't even manage to build an office block on the corner of our current stadium.

We didn't have any representation in the city centre for God knows how many years.

As for the negative reputation you kindly gave me, how childish.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

There is nothing balanced about watching the team I support go to the dogs.

At what point will you realise they're not leading the club in the right direction? They couldn't even manage to build an office block on the corner of our current stadium.

We didn't have any representation in the city centre for God knows how many years.

As for the negative reputation you kindly gave me, how childish.

Go read my posts properly before gobbling off like some spotty teenager.

The neg was for the stupid inane post aimed at a fan who's been a match going blue for over 35 years btw

 

[bizzaro]

Don't know about you @Tubey but irritated by the off topic posts in here today.

So what did you think about the ECHO interview and what particuarly in it did you object to?

 

[Tubey]

Don't know about you @Tubey but irritated by the off topic posts in here today.

So what did you think about the ECHO interview and what particuarly in it did you object to?

I read between the lines and recognise the familiar backtracking and self-preservation from those at board level getting the groundwork in ahead of another failed project.

I take FLHD's point that it could just be caution, but I've seen the exact same thing with KD, the annex and so on, where it gets to the point where it'd be foolish to take anything these clowns do on face value.

Elstone is someone I have no respect for whatsoever. I wouldn't trust him with a fiver, nevermind a stadium project. Everything he says and does is designed to protect himself at all costs. The groundwork in that article is to set in stone tertiary factors such as LCC non-participation and no naming rights partner as a reason for the project failing.

In short, I'm 90% certain this project is now doomed.

 

[Quadvod]

So the last two domestic tv deals have both increased by 70% and yet we are still unable to begin to address the funding of a new stadium.

Surely its not beyond the wit of the current custodians to set aside say £10m each season until the end of the next tv deal - would give us £40m reasons with which we could convince potential partners/sponsors that we were serious about a new stadium or failing that we could just build the park end as it should have been the first time.

We're one poor manager away from complete catastrophe as regards our current infrastructure and its just not good enough

 

[GwladysBlue]

So the last two domestic tv deals have both increased by 70% and yet we are still unable to begin to address the funding of a new stadium.

Surely its not beyond the wit of the current custodians to set aside say £10m each season until the end of the next tv deal - would give us £40m reasons with which we could convince potential partners/sponsors that we were serious about a new stadium or failing that we could just build the park end as it should have been the first time.

We're one poor manager away from complete catastrophe as regards our current infrastructure and its just not good enough

That would require them having an ounce of business know how.

 

[blueblue]

Maybe I haven't read all the disclosure on the new stadium, but I have not seen anything new or different in the comments from Robert Elstone.

Maybe, I am just not reading between the lines.

It seems to me that what has been said is that the project will not go ahead until it is completely funded and that will involve assistance from the council, a naming partner and imo an investor/buyer who will provide additional funds allowing the club to undertake sustainable borrowings.

But, has not that always been the case ? , have we not known that from the start ?

Possibly , we could have been told that the funding was now in place but other than that I am not sure what else we could have been told.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

I imagine the new cautious approach is centred around the formation of this new "super council" myself and beyond the boards control. For the last few years the links between ourselves and LCC have been far stronger than at any other recent time with the council realising our importance to the community and local economy which is obviously beneficial to both sides.

That was all well and good when the club we're dealing with LCC exclusively on grant applications and public funding initiatives but it's a harder sell trying to convince the likes of Wirral, St.Helens or Sefton councils memebers that public funds or grants should be directed at a football club that's historically got nothing to do with them.

It's an uncertain time for local politics and while everyone's finding their feet and feeling each other out its best to be treated with a cautious approach as Elstone.

 

[Jxg]

So reading that article here http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fc-stadium-liverpool-council-9315418?, the council are financially constrained as to what they can do.

Looking back on the link on the first page of this thread I quoted this:

“The council will work with the club to look at how we can support them, not necessarily in a financial investment in the club, but perhaps in the same way that we’ve done with Liverpool.

“We’ve invested quite a substantial amount of money around the area [of Anfield] and I’m sure Liverpool Football Club would be the first to admit that.

Come on...