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New Everton Stadium

MickA said:
You can't generalise, each situation is unique to the city and club in question.

New
Arsenal/Tottenham - big clubs located in one of the worlds financial hubs both with ST waiting lists.
West Ham - built for the Olympics
Man City - built for the commonwealth games and now owners are building a huge local legacy with top notch facilities
Leicester, Sunderland, Stoke, Southampton, Swansea - all one club cities who's existing stadia were either decrepit or grossly under-sized.

Re-developed
Villa, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Newcastle. If a new stadium was a golden ticket why have these (all top 10 English clubs) clubs stayed? They stayed because it was the right thing to do for their business and the costs/benefits stacked up.

I've yet to hear anything to suggest that WHP (or any new stadium) is the right thing to do. Kirkby certainly wasn't in the best interests of the business.

GP can be re-developed and should be included in any future stadium conversations.
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Brilliant post mate.
 
kithnou said:
Brilliant post mate.
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I agree with so much of that post, apart from the last line.

Goodison is the obvious place for a new stadium, a whole raft of problems would be by-passed with a redevelopment or rebuild.
Even the current board must be aware of this, so why is it not happening.
Because we have to try to think forward for at least one hundred years and the Goodison site is too restricted.
 

blueblue said:
I agree with so much of that post, apart from the last line.

Goodison is the obvious place for a new stadium, a whole raft of problems would be by-passed with a redevelopment or rebuild.
Even the current board must be aware of this, so why is it not happening.
Because we have to try to think forward for at least one hundred years and the Goodison site is too restricted.
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The reason it is not happening is because the current board (a) haven't got any money and therefore (b) want a third party to finance a new stadium so they can sell their stake in the club at a profit. There is no way they are thinking forward one hundred years in their planning (although it might be nice if they did)
 
JE.
If Everton could remain at Goodison the development could be carried out over a period of time. It would mean that the enormous amounts of money needed before you start a new project would not need to be in place.
It would be the ideal situation for the current board especially now as the TV money into premiership clubs continues to increase.

I don't claim to be an expert in this area at all.
I base my judgement on walking around the perimeter of the grounds, we are hemmed in by roads, houses and schools.
A new ground is more than just a stand and a pitch, it is also about catering and hospitality facilities, bars , restaurants and premium boxes. Underneath the stands at Goodison is like being in a rabbit warren.
A modern ground will need a level of space that is not available on the Goodison site. Not to mention the space to build stands that can hold in excess of 55k. people
 
Adversus said:
The contents are:

5.0 The Case for Tesco Stores Ltd
6.0 The Case for Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
7.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents in Support of Progress
8.0 The Case for Liverpool City Council
9.0 The Case for the Combined Authority Objectors
10.0 The Case for Grosvenor Limited
11.0 The Case for Knowsley Constituency Liberal Democrats
12.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents Action Group
13.0 The Case for Keep Everton in Our City
14.0 The Case for Grange Residents

When you say planning law? What do you mean? Is it part of our planning laws that prevent a company from moving from one location to another?

Of course not. Liverpool Council among others came in and stopped it due to the negative effects it would have on the area around Goodison and to the city. If you call that planning laws then OK fair enough but lets not pretend it's anything other than what it was and while now Liverpool council are on board there will still be other dissenters.
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It was planning laws that brought the attention to the Kirkby Shed and its demise.

You only have to look now at what Kirkby has, and that is sweet FA.

In the meantime peoples house were demolished et al.
 
blueblue said:
A modern ground will need a level of space that is not available on the Goodison site. Not to mention the space to build stands that can hold in excess of 55k. people
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They have been handed that three times now under the worlds greatest Evertonians watch and they have manged to feck it up three times (thankfully in the case of Kirkby)
 
The board are looking to build a template off the shelf stadium on the cheap so that they can finally sell up and get that profit they've been after for decades. Goodison has been the one thing holding back their 'strategy'. They could have had a stadium built by now or redone Goodison but the two truths are that they don't want to pay for it themselves and they don't want to create something (redeveloped Goodison) that a foreign investor wouldn't be interested in.
 

Saint Domingo said:
The board are looking to build a template off the shelf stadium on the cheap so that they can finally sell up and get that profit they've been after for decades. Goodison has been the one thing holding back their 'strategy'. They could have had a stadium built by now or redone Goodison but the two truths are that they don't want to pay for it themselves and they don't want to create something (redeveloped Goodison) that a foreign investor wouldn't be interested in.
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That's the thing - it's a horrible catch 22. The current board will never get us the Stadium we desire, it will be some cheap underwhelming effort not unlike the one that nearly went ahead. (thank god it didn't at Kirkby) A new board/buyers probably won't come in until we have a new stadium.
 
Oops, I really didn't mean to get involved in this thread again :confused:

blueblue said:
JE.
If Everton could remain at Goodison the development could be carried out over a period of time. It would mean that the enormous amounts of money needed before you start a new project would not need to be in place.
It would be the ideal situation for the current board especially now as the TV money into premiership clubs continues to increase.
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Exactly :)

blueblue said:
I don't claim to be an expert in this area at all.
I base my judgement on walking around the perimeter of the grounds, we are hemmed in by roads, houses and schools.
A new ground is more than just a stand and a pitch, it is also about catering and hospitality facilities, bars , restaurants and premium boxes. Underneath the stands at Goodison is like being in a rabbit warren.
A modern ground will need a level of space that is not available on the Goodison site. Not to mention the space to build stands that can hold in excess of 55k. people
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The plans that are out there (the ones me and MickA keep referring to) give us various ways of getting everything we need. Please accept my apologies for not going into full detail because I've posted about this too much in the past already, but as a quick summary there is huge space behind the park end which would allow to us build a stand as big as we want with corporate boxes, bars etc. The Main Stand can also be re-configured to completely remove all the obstructed views and have a new row of corporate boxes below the top balcony. Just redeveloping these 2 stands would give us everything a new stadium would give us in terms of increased capacity and corporate facilities.

Then in addition to that we have the Bullens Road and Gladys. I know these stands are hemmed in, but there are various ideas as to what to do with them (eg a pitch move towards the Park End to create extra space at the Gladys) and also the houses behind these stands are amongst the cheapest in the country so a long term plan could involve buying these as well (hopefully taking a more community conscious approach than the one taken by another club recently).
 
Every time it comes to putting down the hard money on the table for these projects we fail.

It,s a shame the FBI could,nt nose around L4.
 
JordanianEmbassy said:
Oops, I really didn't mean to get involved in this thread again :confused:



Exactly :)




The plans that are out there (the ones me and MickA keep referring to) give us various ways of getting everything we need. Please accept my apologies for not going into full detail because I've posted about this too much in the past already, but as a quick summary there is huge space behind the park end which would allow to us build a stand as big as we want with corporate boxes, bars etc. The Main Stand can also be re-configured to completely remove all the obstructed views and have a new row of corporate boxes below the top balcony. Just redeveloping these 2 stands would give us everything a new stadium would give us in terms of increased capacity and corporate facilities.

Then in addition to that we have the Bullens Road and Gladys. I know these stands are hemmed in, but there are various ideas as to what to do with them (eg a pitch move towards the Park End to create extra space at the Gladys) and also the houses behind these stands are amongst the cheapest in the country so a long term plan could involve buying these as well (hopefully taking a more community conscious approach than the one taken by another club recently).
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It will always be like a house with an extension built on to it. It might work and do the job but 1) Will never be as good as a house built and designed from scratch and 2) Will always look too big for the area that it's on.

Plus they normally end up more expensive.
 

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