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New Everton Stadium

bizzaro said:
The North West of England has a population of 7 million.

The areas around Everton's traditional catchment around 3 million.

The point is obvious.

Spurs will soon make SIGNIFICANTLY MORE money than we will per game.

This will put them out of sight of us financially.

Whilst nothing happens.
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They already make much more than us...
 
Being a London club has its benefits, but equally it has its negative aspects so the higher ticket prices aren't always as substantial as suggested.

Arguably their stadium will cost more to build based on land prices, potential construction costs and then wages. That includes players as well.

The real positive is the fact that they can guarantee seat numbers and hike prices to improve their profit margin.
 
PhilM said:
Being a London club has its benefits, but equally it has its negative aspects so the higher ticket prices aren't always as substantial as suggested.

Arguably their stadium will cost more to build based on land prices, potential construction costs and then wages. That includes players as well.

The real positive is the fact that they can guarantee seat numbers and hike prices to improve their profit margin.
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WHAT? o_O
 

PhilM said:
I entirely agree about Spurs showing of ambition and vision, however our own situation and their position are rather distant.

As I've mentioned on here before I am not (and was not) an enthusiastic advocate of the board, Kirkby project or the potential WHP.

However Spurs are in a much stronger position in a number of ways such as financially and potential growth of their fan base and attendances.

The fact is that they can afford to build a stadium in central London and are almost guaranteed the extra attendance to make it worthwhile.

On the other hand, we are neither unable to afford a stadium close to our population centre nor can guarantee a huge increase in attendances.

I'd love a stadium in or near to the centre of Liverpool, yet it's not a realistic prospect. There is neither the land or the finances to make it happen.

In our current state we must be realistic; if we are to get a stadium we must compromise somewhere to make it actuaally happen.

Be that either the location of the stadium, the features (design etc.) or selling out by working with other parties.

It's not ideal by any stretch of the imagination, but it may have to happen if a stadium is to occur. Otherwise it will not.
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There's so many factual inaccuracies in this post I don't even know where to begin.

But that highlighted bit just shows what this post is.
 
bizzaro said:
Walton Hall Park.

Clearly.
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Personally I have no issue with WHP and it's location, however my point was regards to people wanting or demanding a central located stadium.

Walton Hall Park is arguably not a central location when you consider it is further from the city centre than Goodison at just over 3.5 miles.

I'd still like to see any evidence of how Walton Hall Park may actually be affordable, as up to this point it is just conjecture that we can.

With regards to the London aspect, you have premiums on player wages to negate higher property prices, ground costs and staff wages.

Yes they benefit from the higher ticket fees etc, but my point is that it's not always as marked as some people may suggest.

It's not as simple as saying 'well they're season ticket costs £200 more than ours' so they must make £200 more than us. That's just tripe.
 

PhilM said:
Personally I have no issue with WHP and it's location, however my point was regards to people wanting or demanding a central located stadium.

Walton Hall Park is arguably not a central location when you consider it is further from the city centre than Goodison at just over 3.5 miles.

With regards to the London aspect, you have premiums on player wages to negate higher property prices, ground costs and staff wages.

Yes they benefit from the higher ticket fees etc, but my point is that it's not always as marked as some people may suggest.

It's not as simple as saying 'well they're season ticket costs £200 more than ours' so they must make £200 more than us. That's just tripe.
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Listen.

The club have pretty much been offered the land for free.

Nothing you have said has made any sense today.

You asked the question and I gave it to you.
 
bizzaro said:
Listen.

The club have pretty much been offered the land for free.

Nothing you have said has made any sense today.

You asked the question and I gave it to you.
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Perhaps I have to simplify things so you're egoistic and / or antagonistic persona can fully grasp what I'm saying.

I'm fine with WHP, however some people are not. Some people say it is too far from the city centre (Kings Dock esque or Liverpool Waters).

I said anything closer is unfeasible due to land and prices. I asked for another alternative based on the concept above.

You didn't give another alternative as I asked; instead you said WHP. I have no quarrel with that option, but you didn't answer the question.

I then asked if Walton Hall Park is actually feasible. You said the land has 'pretty much been offered for free'. You talk about factual inaccuracies.

Well is that a fact or merely conjecture? How much have we been offered it for? What are the terms? Can we then afford the stadium build?

It may not make sense to you, as you're more happy to cause strife than genuine talk. Come back with the facts to support yourself.

Overall I am in favour of Walton Hall Park, but (and a big but) I am not sure if it actually feasible as of yet. You've yet to prove it is.
 
This argument continues ad nauseam.

Without a huge capital injection the stadium is a non-starter as it is not guaranteed to generate sufficient income to cover the debt required.

In the absence of capital the club's best strategy is to invest as much as it can in the playing staff to generate as much income as possible from on-field not off-field performance.
 
PhilM said:
Perhaps I have to simplify things so you're egoistic and / or antagonistic persona can fully grasp what I'm saying.

I'm fine with WHP, however some people are not. Some people say it is too far from the city centre (Kings Dock esque or Liverpool Waters).

I said anything closer is unfeasible due to land and prices. I asked for another alternative based on the concept above.

You didn't give another alternative as I asked; instead you said WHP. I have no quarrel with that option, but you didn't answer the question.

I then asked if Walton Hall Park is actually feasible. You said the land has 'pretty much been offered for free'. You talk about factual inaccuracies.

Well is that a fact or merely conjecture? How much have we been offered it for? What are the terms? Can we then afford the stadium build?

It may not make sense to you, as you're more happy to cause strife than genuine talk. Come back with the facts to support yourself.

Overall I am in favour of Walton Hall Park, but (and a big but) I am not sure if it actually feasible as of yet. You've yet to prove it is.
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Theres some facts for you.

http://volterra.co.uk/wp-content/up...k-Feasibility-Report-by-Volterra-Partners.pdf
 

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