New Everton Stadium

[mightymoyes]

That simply is not true, I want a new billionaire owner and a new stadium as much as anybody , but it is a simple fact that we are a stable club at the moment...we just are not a wealthy club and we have owners who are not wealthy and cannot afford to push the club onto the next rung of the financial ladder.
We have a training ground that is state of the art(who owns it doesn't affect the work that goes on there), we have a squad of players and an academy that is the envy of most clubs. The difficulties experienced during the window highlights this.
The true test is matchday and that I have been aware of the protests are minimal or non existent.
The plane flying over Southampton gained no traction that I am aware of and was generally regarded as unhelpful at worst or a novelty at best.

When I hear chanting at Goodison for the manager to leave, then I will believe there is serious opposition to his time at Everton.
The stadium issue may now change things if there isn't progress, but as yet I have not seen any viable alternative to the current board .
I hear lot of rhetoric but very little concrete proposal for alternative and for supporters to want something different or something better they must know whats on offer.

we won 3 nil

 

[sageyefc]

So he's claiming we won't be sold til a new stadium is built, and at the same time they've been unable to build one in 16 years.

Same old same old in the coming years it seems

 

[Raino85]

yeah but isnt almost literally every team in Germany cheaper than any Premier League match? Across the board? Germany has fantastic prices on tickets, i think its what a lot of people were miffed about when this MASSIVE TV deal came through and ticket prices didnt go down as a result.

Im going to Dortmund v Leverkusen in a couple of weeks. Cheepest tickets they did were £31.50

 

[MACCA75]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bill-kenwright-insists-everton-arent-6419118

This is what really boils my blood, getting told what we should be happy with.

Constantly chirping of a 'vocal minority' against the great leader...


Wasn't it The Mirror's own website that run a poll suggesting 80%+ wanted him gone mere weeks ago?!

He has failed in everything he has tried to do at this club. We do not 'punch above our weight' we were a heavyweight until disastrous boards have destroyed the 9 times Chanpions of this country.

Agree. Colin Fitz hits the mark with his reply in the comments section.

Maddock of course, misses the point (deliberately so), making out that the fans are protesting because they think the clubs money is being 'squirrelled away' by the board. That's nonsense. The biggest complaint is that our commercial deals for a club the size of Everton are a joke. Add to that the stadium move hasn't moved an inch forwards in 20 years, and Maddock's incredibly convenient time frame for his net spend figure, and it's obvious this is yet another media propaganda piece.

 

[cduff]

Agree. Colin Fitz hits the mark with his reply in the comments section.

Maddock of course, misses the point (deliberately so), making out that the fans are protesting because they think the clubs money is being 'squirrelled away' by the board. That's nonsense. The biggest complaint is that our commercial deals for a club the size of Everton are a joke. Add to that the stadium move hasn't moved an inch forwards in 20 years, and Maddock's incredibly convenient time frame for his net spend figure, and it's obvious this is yet another media propaganda piece.

A lot of fans come on GOT and TW and claim that BK or the Board are either taking/hiding money ("Where's all the TV money" OR "What's Other Operating Costs?") or are waiting for a big payout from an investor. There is also the claim that he doesn't want to sell his "play thing".
There's also this line about our commercial deals even though a recent ESPN article showed that we have the 7th best shirt/sponsorship deal in the EPL. Most non-Everton fans that I speak to, would agree with the thrust of this article. Under BK we have done better than most, retained our identity, have a very good squad & manager and been best of the rest for the last decade. Trying to break the monopoly of the big money clubs is seen as almost impossible - they are in their own mini-league. So, these generic "Board Out" protests don't get taken seriously.
For me, these arguments take away from the most serious issue (the stadium). That should be the central issue of any protest. Keep it simple and specific.

 

[riddick]

A lot of fans come on GOT and TW and claim that BK or the Board are either taking/hiding money ("Where's all the TV money" OR "What's Other Operating Costs?") or are waiting for a big payout from an investor. There is also the claim that he doesn't want to sell his "play thing".
There's also this line about our commercial deals even though a recent ESPN article showed that we have the 7th best shirt/sponsorship deal in the EPL. Most non-Everton fans that I speak to, would agree with the thrust of this article. Under BK we have done better than most, retained our identity, have a very good squad & manager and been best of the rest for the last decade. Trying to break the monopoly of the big money clubs is seen as almost impossible - they are in their own mini-league. So, these generic "Board Out" protests don't get taken seriously.
For me, these arguments take away from the most serious issue (the stadium). That should be the central issue of any protest. Keep it simple and specific.

I dont even think the stadium is the issue at this point. Like @the esk says, they are massively undercapitalized and arent doing anything to fix it. Look, if you arent going to invest yourself or ask others to invest, what are you doing to improve the club? Answer: nothing. So if you are doing NOTHING to improve the club, should the fans not want someone who will at least TRY to?

 

[cduff]

I dont even think the stadium is the issue at this point. Like @the esk says, they are massively undercapitalized and arent doing anything to fix it. Look, if you arent going to invest yourself or ask others to invest, what are you doing to improve the club? Answer: nothing. So if you are doing NOTHING to improve the club, should the fans not want someone who will at least TRY to?

You are assuming that someone is ready to invest. As far as I know, there is nobody waiting to invest.

 

[riddick]

You are assuming that someone is ready to invest. As far as I know, there is nobody waiting to invest.

isnt that the crux of the arguement tho? Kenwright has never said 'sell'. He has ALWAYS said he is looking for 'investment'. Who is going to 'invest' in this mockery of a club with no say over how to run it?

 

[MickA]

A lot of fans come on GOT and TW and claim that BK or the Board are either taking/hiding money ("Where's all the TV money" OR "What's Other Operating Costs?") or are waiting for a big payout from an investor. There is also the claim that he doesn't want to sell his "play thing".
There's also this line about our commercial deals even though a recent ESPN article showed that we have the 7th best shirt/sponsorship deal in the EPL. Most non-Everton fans that I speak to, would agree with the thrust of this article. Under BK we have done better than most, retained our identity, have a very good squad & manager and been best of the rest for the last decade. Trying to break the monopoly of the big money clubs is seen as almost impossible - they are in their own mini-league. So, these generic "Board Out" protests don't get taken seriously.
For me, these arguments take away from the most serious issue (the stadium). That should be the central issue of any protest. Keep it simple and specific.

The thing with the stadium though is that the board have a duty to investigate all options; redevelopment and re-location and decide which offer the best financial and business sense. The main issue people have is the complete lack of clarity with respect to their decision making which seems to be only considering enablement-led schemes in the suburbs.

I don't think people would have an issue if they came out and said 'we're doing this because the benefits will be x, y and z' but that is something they have consistently failed to do, catastrophically in the case of Kirkby.

 

[deipnosophist]

isnt that the crux of the arguement tho? Kenwright has never said 'sell'. He has ALWAYS said he is looking for 'investment'. Who is going to 'invest' in this mockery of a club with no say over how to run it?

Without having control, nobody in their right mind.

 

[cduff]

isnt that the crux of the arguement tho? Kenwright has never said 'sell'. He has ALWAYS said he is looking for 'investment'. Who is going to 'invest' in this mockery of a club with no say over how to run it?

Who would buy it in this day and age? Who would buy it with a crap old stadium and no corporate facilities to speak of?
Would we even want it sold? Only one or two of those deals have really worked out - massive risk.

 

[MACCA75]

A lot of fans come on GOT and TW and claim that BK or the Board are either taking/hiding money ("Where's all the TV money" OR "What's Other Operating Costs?") or are waiting for a big payout from an investor. There is also the claim that he doesn't want to sell his "play thing".
There's also this line about our commercial deals even though a recent ESPN article showed that we have the 7th best shirt/sponsorship deal in the EPL. Most non-Everton fans that I speak to, would agree with the thrust of this article. Under BK we have done better than most, retained our identity, have a very good squad & manager and been best of the rest for the last decade. Trying to break the monopoly of the big money clubs is seen as almost impossible - they are in their own mini-league. So, these generic "Board Out" protests don't get taken seriously.
For me, these arguments take away from the most serious issue (the stadium). That should be the central issue of any protest. Keep it simple and specific.

I think the overall commercial performance and the growth of the 'brand' has not been good enough tbh.

I think it's without doubt that Bill doesn't want to 'sell his play thing'. Bill himself has given a variety of answers to the simple question 'how long has the club been up for sale'. The truth is, they are waiting for investment rather than actively seeking it.

 

[PhilM]

I dont even think the stadium is the issue at this point.

I'd disagree; I think the issue of the stadium is a pivotal aspect of any negotiations regarding clubs investing capital as @the esk has mentioned.

Without delving into actual figures and such, the fact that we desperately require a stadium is a noose around the club's neck regarding a buyout.

For arguments sake taking away any vested interest on Kenwright's behalf, the other major shareholders will want a return on their money.

To them it is a business interest and not a love like ours, so it is unrealistic to expect or even demand a cheap sale from the owners.

Say that is a £100m outlay, and that's probably a significant underestimation of the club's value; any investor would then need to fund a stadium.

How much would that be? An absolute minimum of £100m again, but more likely into the realms of £150-£300m depending on who is involved.

You could therefore be looking at an outlay of between £200m and £400m to purchase the club and support the portfolio's development.

Ask yourself is that reasonable for any future return? I'd say not! That's also before investment in playing staff which we would obviously want!

Without a stadium built, or at least concrete plans to do so and funding obtained, I would suggest that the stadium is a huge issue at this point.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

This wouldn't have been as much of an an issue if kenwright (Then a board member) hadn't sanctioned a single-tiered Park End.

Johnson might have been a tool; but even he knew the new PE was too small & tried to get it halted so we could get another deck.

 

[sageyefc]

I'd disagree; I think the issue of the stadium is a pivotal aspect of any negotiations regarding clubs investing capital as @the esk has mentioned.

Without delving into actual figures and such, the fact that we desperately require a stadium is a noose around the club's neck regarding a buyout.

For arguments sake taking away any vested interest on Kenwright's behalf, the other major shareholders will want a return on their money.

To them it is a business interest and not a love like ours, so it is unrealistic to expect or even demand a cheap sale from the owners.

Say that is a £100m outlay, and that's probably a significant underestimation of the club's value; any investor would then need to fund a stadium.

How much would that be? An absolute minimum of £100m again, but more likely into the realms of £150-£300m depending on who is involved.

You could therefore be looking at an outlay of between £200m and £400m to purchase the club and support the portfolio's development.

Ask yourself is that reasonable for any future return? I'd say not! That's also before investment in playing staff which we would obviously want!

Without a stadium built, or at least concrete plans to do so and funding obtained, I would suggest that the stadium is a huge issue at this point.

They either need to actually put some money in for once in their tenure, to go towards a new stadium or adjust what their selling price is knowing the new owner will have too. They are doing neither