New Everton Stadium

[TommyDavo]

It all depends on the reasoning behind the redevelopment, and the quality of the redevelopment once it is built. Someone mentioned how the Fontain Road / Lambeth Gymnasium area had to be redeveloped once again after just 35 years, which indicates that the initial redevelopment there 35 years ago was inadequate, but look at it now, nobody in the right mind could argue against the fact that the area has improved as result of bulldozing the utterly inadequate 'housing' that was once there, and developing the new far superior housing that is there now. Anyone fighting against that redevelopment was an enemy of that community.

I cant get my head around people who complain about a lack of investment, but simultaneously appear determined to maintain the status quo and fight against progression and redevelopment. It's luddite behaviour, in which people cut their noses off to spite their faces. I don't know how much money LFC were offering for the houses around their ground, but you have to ask who is bringing more to the community, LFC or a few people who are determined to remain living in dilapidated housing? The answer is patently obvious.

I don't agree that the character or atmosphere of the area is something to be championed either. Describing the area as having character and being atmospheric may be a great defence mechanism to the reality, but the the truth is that the area is in urgent need of drastic change, unless you have some peculiar obsession of rejecting progress in favour of maintaining the status quo.

I spoke about that area mate and I agree with you that they finally seem to be getting their act together. my son is buying one of the properties currently being built. He will be living about 50 yards from the slum I was born into

 

[Woolly Blue]

Theres no way the house round there are £70k. I'd guess at around £50-55k. Could even be as low as £40kish

Probably a bit low that. Up to 70k is about right, with most of the decent properties in the 50 to 60k range

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property....25&includeSSTC=true&_includeSSTC=on&index=40 ... shows houses within 1/4 mile of Goodison, so isn't totally representative, but won't be far off the mark.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

Probably a bit low that. Up to 70k is about right, with most of the decent properties in the 50 to 60k range

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property....25&includeSSTC=true&_includeSSTC=on&index=40 ... shows houses within 1/4 mile of Goodison, so isn't totally representative, but won't be far off the mark.

Would bear in mind that if the housing around Goodison is predominantly buy to let, if the changes in the July budget are enacted there is a distinct possibility of a significant decrease in the value of this type of property.
Won't bore you with details, but it is possible to end up in a negative income scenario for some landlords.

Another thing to consider is it would appear that some houses in the area are leasehold, so the freehold would have to be purchased as well.

 

[Rugby Toffee]

Shouldn't the title of this thread be years and not months?

 

[hibbo'sclass]

An imaginative solution might be to create a UNESCO heritage status around Goodison Park and the surrounding area as an example of the relationship between football and working class communities. As a result of this investment would be provided to maintain the area (and possibly allow a considerate redevelopment of Goodison) plus redirect and increase tourism and tourism expenditure within the city of Liverpool. I have long believed that we (and other football clubs) make little of our historical importance both at local and global levels. If we look at the North West of England we have four of the most recognisable clubs in the world within 35 miles of each other plus (including Everton) six of the founding members of the oldest league in the world's most popular sport.

The richness of football heritage and history plus the local contribution to the global game is immense, yet totally unexploited.

Like the idea and agree with the sentiment, but what would be the consequences regarding planning for a redevelopment and the constraints for working within a UNESCO World Heritage site?
For example,
would the overall footprint be able to be increased
would existing facade of the stands have to remain substantially the same.

 

[The Esk]

Like the idea and agree with the sentiment, but what would be the consequences regarding planning for a redevelopment and the constraints for working within a UNESCO World Heritage site?
For example,
would the overall footprint be able to be increased
would existing facade of the stands have to remain substantially the same.

I am not sure to be honest, would need to look into it. The idea would be not to preserve the building (the stadium) as a listed building but to preserve the heritage and recognise the relationship between the ground, club and local area plus the cultural contribution and significance on a local, national and global level.

I haven't checked to see if any sporting stadia have been given such status. Given that there are around 35 industrial sites around the globe with world heritage status it should be possible to argue that a sporting site and local area be afforded similar privileges.

Needs further research.....

 

[hibbo'sclass]

I am not sure to be honest, would need to look into it. The idea would be not to preserve the building (the stadium) as a listed building but to preserve the heritage and recognise the relationship between the ground, club and local area plus the cultural contribution and significance on a local, national and global level.

I haven't checked to see if any sporting stadia have been given such status. Given that there are around 35 industrial sites around the globe with world heritage status it should be possible to argue that a sporting site and local area be afforded similar privileges.

Needs further research.....

Hi mate. What I was getting at was the Law of Unintended Consequences in as much as would seeking UNESCO world hertitage have the same outcome as a listing.
Not really my bag, but googled UNESCO sites in England and there are about a dozen or so "tentative" sites including Chatham Naval Docks. If my understanding is correct, these have not been granted yet but were applied for in January 2012, so on that basis does it not have the effect of kicking the stadium question into the long grass.
Possibly misread it, but that's my take for what it's worth.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Lets see what the ultimate outcome in this case really is. Ask me after that.

Always a caveat with the devotees of this gang of chancers we call a board.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Theres no way the house round there are £70k. I'd guess at around £50-55k. Could even be as low as £40kish

Using that logic Everton Football Club is worth £45million. Take away debt and that works out the club worth 'kall, nowt, nothing, zilch.

You will then get a choice of buyers. The board then can put in place legally binding conditions that should include a fully funded new stadium.

 

[The Esk]

Theres no way the house round there are £70k. I'd guess at around £50-55k. Could even be as low as £40kish

There's 26 houses for sale within the immediate area of Goodison. Most expensive asking price is £75,000, least expensive is £50,000, the majority are around £60,000

source: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=USERDEFINEDAREA^{"polylines":"m`deI`ecQaTaCH}m@vS??~q@"}&minPrice=50000&maxPrice=100000&minBedrooms=2

 

[TheFinnFan]

Always a caveat with the devotees of this gang of chancers we call a board.

You are entitled to your opinion mate.
I know our board has huge shortcomings but haters are looking it from too close imo. Step back and and try to look our club from other teams fans perspective. Theres lot to be proud of in the age of money and sheiks.

 

[Bluesnapper]

You are entitled to your opinion mate.
I know our board has huge shortcomings but haters are looking it from too close imo. Step back and and try to look our club from other teams fans perspective. Theres lot to be proud of in the age of money and sheiks.

I have stepped back to Christmas 1999 and they havent got any better and invested 0 pence in that time.

I am not proud of these charlatans who are motivated by how much they will end up with rather than being great custodians of this great institution.

 

[sageyefc]

You are entitled to your opinion mate.
I know our board has huge shortcomings but haters are looking it from too close imo. Step back and and try to look our club from other teams fans perspective. Theres lot to be proud of in the age of money and sheiks.

Would rather we have money and sheikhs

 

[TheFinnFan]

I have stepped back to Christmas 1999 and they havent got any better and invested 0 pence in that time.

I am not proud of these charlatans who are motivated by how much they will end up with rather than being great custodians of this great institution.

Would rather we have money and sheikhs

Ok, ive just made a fool out of me self but what the hell...E-BU-TON! !

 

[Chang Elephant]

The most pointless thread on GOT, and that includes Damo's efforts on FFP.

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