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New Everton Stadium

hibbo'sclass said:
Anyone taken into account that apart from the human element even if it were possible to do a CPO, could turn into a PR disaster - The People's Club doing what!
Where's the money coming from for the redevelopment?
Who pays for a new school to be built elsewhere (assuming that any redevelopment is to be based on Bullens Road side)?
What would be the costs of demolition and securing the site over the period of the build?
How long would the remaining residents be forced to live next to a building site?
Given that infrastructure is not great, why would you build it there?
If infrastructure is to be upgraded who pays?
I sort of get why there is allegedly no appetite for redevelopment (expansion) within the upper echelons of the club on considering the above.

Would I like to stay at Goodison - certainly, do I think it is more viable than a ground move - don't think so.

Or am I just being too negative?
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It'll come down to money in the end and how much it might cost to redevelop all, or part of Goodison compared to WHP to end up with roughly the same number of seats in both and the same amount of corporate gubbins.

Walton Hall Park isn't the greatest location so the secondary revenue drivers, like hotels and conferencing at some stadia probably aren't the earners they would have been for a city centre location.

A phased redevelopment of Goodison would be better from a capex cashflow perspective than building a new stadium, but while you're redeveloping you might have to accept some reduced capacity and, worse case, might even need to find somewhere else to play.

With limitless funds you'd build a shiny new stadium in either an ace location or somewhere ripe for regeneration and so maximise your non-matchday revenue. The chances of someone coming in with limitless funds isn't high though, so whoever takes us over ( I'm assuming it'll happen sooner or later ) will have been crunching the numbers and sucking on their pencils while scratching their heads

The latter isn't a euphemism ffs.
 
Fresh Prince of Belle Val said:
Totally disagree. The bullens and Gwladys street are what make Goodison great. The other stands need demolishing.
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Agree on the Gwladys not being a priority. I sit there and love it. But it has no lounges and if we're to create some space and do something to improve the setting then, for me, that street can go as opposed to Goodison Rd.

Disagree with you on the Bullens stand though. To me it has history sure - but we'd keep that in the main stand. The views from a lot of the Bullens seats are terrible and it also has no hospitality.

I'd rather not do anything but if we're to move forward as a club - and a stadium move is out - then we don't have a lot of choice.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
Goodison is only unique and special to Evertonians no one else, and I Can't see what wider benefits it would bring, the stadium is all ready there, it's not like they would be building a new stadium where one didn't existed before. Around 40,000 people attend Goodison every 2 weeks and pubs and businesses have closed down in the area, don't get me wrong I'd love the old lady to be rebuilt but not at the expense of throwing people out of their homes who don't want to leave.
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The dilemma facing that community is exactly that though, they will eventually have to choose between a Goodison redevelopment or an Everton relocation. It's really quite obvious which option will benefit the area and which one will add further malaise to an already seriously impoverished neighborhood.

Jumping up and down like William Wallace in order to maintain substandard housing may seem noble on the face of things, but all it really does is stifle progress and maintain an impoverished and adverse status quo.

Preserving the status quo is actually a Conservative ideology, and anyone who really wants change will have to accept change taking place. Nobody was arsed about buying the houses behind the Park End prior to its redevelopment, and nobody should really be arsed about buying the houses behind the Bullens, not if you put a community's wellbeing above that of a few individuals, or a gang of buy to let landlords.
 
Woolly Blue said:
It'll come down to money in the end and how much it might cost to redevelop all, or part of Goodison compared to WHP to end up with roughly the same number of seats in both and the same amount of corporate gubbins.

Walton Hall Park isn't the greatest location so the secondary revenue drivers, like hotels and conferencing at some stadia probably aren't the earners they would have been for a city centre location.

A phased redevelopment of Goodison would be better from a capex cashflow perspective than building a new stadium, but while you're redeveloping you might have to accept some reduced capacity and, worse case, might even need to find somewhere else to play.

With limitless funds you'd build a shiny new stadium in either an ace location or somewhere ripe for regeneration and so maximise your non-matchday revenue. The chances of someone coming in with limitless funds isn't high though, so whoever takes us over ( I'm assuming it'll happen sooner or later ) will have been crunching the numbers and sucking on their pencils while scratching their heads

The latter isn't a euphemism ffs.
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Hope this doesn't sound flippant or mad but given the current price per seat, the most cost effective thing to do is nothing except firstly upgrade hospitality and get it's pricing point correct so you maximise the occupancy and therefore the premium gained from it and secondly limit the amount of season tickets available. More day-trippers = higher prices.

No-one is aware what the size or breakdown of any proposed stadium at WHP would be, but if the hypothetical figures used in previous comments on this thread are near correct, you're looking at a 50-55k stadium. Is this figure achievable at Goodison if done on a piecemeal basis, or would it be a case of buy up Diana St, Walton Motors, move the school and then build half a stadium, move somewhere for a season or possibly two whilst the other half was built.

I agree that WHP is not a great location (I would prefer a site nearer to the city centre), but surely it would do at least as well as Goodison for secondary income streams.

The relevance of the cash-flow and indeed the level of borrowing question depends on the actions any new owners after gaining control. Way I see it is that any offer would be for 100% of the club, so if only the current 6 larges shareholders all sell, the new owner would have 85% of the shares. This is useful, but for effective control you need over 90% to stop the minority calling EGM's (if they are organised enough). One way of doing this is an immediate underwritten rights issue on a 1:1 basis at the price just paid for the shares which if not taken up by the minority shareholders would give a 92.5% ownership. So if the much quoted £225 mil less offer and underwriting expenses would be sat there waiting for something to spend it on.

Limitless funds is, to paraphrase you, a pipe-dream, but just out of interest if you had a reasonably large budget would you have anywhere specific in mind?

Top and bottom of it is, until something concrete is in the public domain regarding the putative take-over, I really should find something better to do. :coffee:
 

Charlie Sweet said:
Yes - a CPO can only be done on the basis of a wider benefits project. It's not as if any of those houses are anything unique or special (Goodison apart). That's not being rude or disrespectful but a house there could be swapped for a near identical one within a few hundred yards.
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Swap "house" for "homes" mate, does it still not sound rude or disrespectful.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Agree on the Gwladys not being a priority. I sit there and love it. But it has no lounges and if we're to create some space and do something to improve the setting then, for me, that street can go as opposed to Goodison Rd.

Disagree with you on the Bullens stand though. To me it has history sure - but we'd keep that in the main stand. The views from a lot of the Bullens seats are terrible and it also has no hospitality.

I'd rather not do anything but if we're to move forward as a club - and a stadium move is out - then we don't have a lot of choice.
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Facilities are a joke in the bullens - if catering ever came back in house it'd lose so much money from people not being able to buy anything at half time...
 

malfosse said:
Oh, and all you trying to foist the prawn sandwich eating bourgeoisie on to the Bullens, NO!
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Here's one as mad as you like, but depending on the costs involved and if the site is big enough, may be a long term stroke of genius.

By Sandhills station, so walking distance from city and with a ready made train station. Pay/buy McBurney's , Ensign Flags etc to move. Pull down the industrial estate. Build new ground.
Other side of Sandhills Lane - small to medium sized Hotel/Conference Centre on the car park site.
 
Fresh Prince of Belle Val said:
Totally disagree. The bullens and Gwladys street are what make Goodison great. The other stands need demolishing.
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The bullens and Gwladys are completely unsuitable for a PL stadium that'll see the club through the next couple of generations. They're woefully inadequate now, so in another decade their own value would be their heritage.

It's not enough that they hold memories and architectural interest, the simple facts are that they're inadequate.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The bullens and Gwladys are completely unsuitable for a PL stadium that'll see the club through the next couple of generations. They're woefully inadequate now, so in another decade their own value would be their heritage.

It's not enough that they hold memories and architectural interest, the simple facts are that they're inadequate.
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The park end is inadequate for a major team. It's a league one stand.
 

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