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New Everton Stadium

Coffee and TV said:
I'm not sure exactly how many we have, although Everton announced 27k sold in June. Liverpool normally sell the 24.5k ST they make available. This has a few interesting comparisons on it
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Brilliant thanks,figures stack up really well everything considered.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
I disagree mate.
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No you don't :)

Seriously though you don't disagree with me :)

I was purely saying that we don't NEED to flatten houses to re-develop goodison. If you'd RATHER do that then thats a different issue.


Charlie Sweet said:
The Bullens and the Gwladys are the oldest and have no lounges. I love the Main Stand and remember it has a load of full lounges every match. Let's leave that to the end in my book. Likewise the Park End. It does a job for now.

It's the area around the Gwladys and the school that need clearing in my book.
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Also re: the main stand I think you might have misunderstood me. Have a look at the docs that are out there (written by Tom Hughes, Trevor Skempton etc). A new roof and a few other tweaks would transform it. I'm not talking about knocking it down or rebuilding it.
 
When a new stadium is built, what are the most important elements to be developed when comparing with Goodison ?

A. The size/quality of the pitch.
B. The size of the stadium(capacity) and standard of spectators viewing.
C. The provision of catering and hospitality facilities.

I think that point C will have a major bearing on any new project. The facilities at Goodison are cramped and outdated when compared to what is available at newer grounds. I am not sure that any side of the stadium as it currently stands will allow for the most modern catering and hospitality facilities.

A new top class facility could offer an earning potential for the club nearly every day of the week and not just on matchdays.
 
blueblue said:
C. The provision of catering and hospitality facilities.

I think that point C will have a major bearing on any new project. The facilities at Goodison are cramped and outdated when compared to what is available at newer grounds. I am not sure that any side of the stadium as it currently stands will allow for the most modern catering and hospitality facilities.

A new top class facility could offer an earning potential for the club nearly every day of the week and not just on matchdays.
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This puts it succinctly.

The main problem with us as supporters is that there is a belief that we are an important stream of revenue - if you look at the figures, we're not and in the near future will be less so unless we grace the lounges where a significant premium is applied.
 

Coffee and TV said:
I'm not sure exactly how many we have, although Everton announced 27k sold in June. Liverpool normally sell the 24.5k ST they make available. This has a few interesting comparisons on it
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This is fine, but somewhat misleading as firstly it deals with Adult ST prices and secondly the amount that goes to the club in turnover(in our case) based on the above £27.05p is £22.54p, the rest is VAT.

So kids season tickets at £95 bring in 4.17p in turnover per match etc.etc...

Sort of makes me feel better about the calculation that I did a while back where I tried to factor everything in and came up with an average seat income of £20 + VAT though.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
Even if the occupants don't want to leave?, I have no objection to an offer being made, what I am against is forcing people out of their homes who don't want to leave for what is basically a none essential construction.
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Yes - a CPO can only be done on the basis of a wider benefits project. It's not as if any of those houses are anything unique or special (Goodison apart). That's not being rude or disrespectful but a house there could be swapped for a near identical one within a few hundred yards.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
Even if the occupants don't want to leave?, I have no objection to an offer being made, what I am against is forcing people out of their homes who don't want to leave for what is basically a none essential construction.
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But we all know that if the offer was over generous there will be (at least) one hold out,there is always someone looking for their 15 minutes.
 
Nobby Nobbs said:
Even if the occupants don't want to leave?, I have no objection to an offer being made, what I am against is forcing people out of their homes who don't want to leave for what is basically a none essential construction.
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I'd hope that any future owners worked closely with anyone living next to the ground to come up with a solution which wasn't only fair financially, but made a move to a new home as simple as it could be.

It's not just about the money, for people who've lived there for years, it's also about the upheaval associated with moving.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Yes - a CPO can only be done on the basis of a wider benefits project. It's not as if any of those houses are anything unique or special (Goodison apart). That's not being rude or disrespectful but a house there could be swapped for a near identical one within a few hundred yards.
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Goodison is only unique and special to Evertonians no one else, and I Can't see what wider benefits it would bring, the stadium is all ready there, it's not like they would be building a new stadium where one didn't existed before. Around 40,000 people attend Goodison every 2 weeks and pubs and businesses have closed down in the area, don't get me wrong I'd love the old lady to be rebuilt but not at the expense of throwing people out of their homes who don't want to leave.
 

Anyone taken into account that apart from the human element even if it were possible to do a CPO, could turn into a PR disaster - The People's Club doing what!
Where's the money coming from for the redevelopment?
Who pays for a new school to be built elsewhere (assuming that any redevelopment is to be based on Bullens Road side)?
What would be the costs of demolition and securing the site over the period of the build?
How long would the remaining residents be forced to live next to a building site?
Given that infrastructure is not great, why would you build it there?
If infrastructure is to be upgraded who pays?
I sort of get why there is allegedly no appetite for redevelopment (expansion) within the upper echelons of the club on considering the above.

Would I like to stay at Goodison - certainly, do I think it is more viable than a ground move - don't think so.

Or am I just being too negative?
 
peteblue said:
Just put it in the park where the RS were going to build............
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.....in the pub on at the weekend one of my mates who supports the Pool was saying how disgraceful it was that we might get WHP. He also said the Pool were refused planning permission for WHP but I'm not sure that was ever the case. I don't remember him complaining when Stanley Park was about to go ahead.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
I disagree mate. The Bullens and the Gwladys are the oldest and have no lounges. I love the Main Stand and remember it has a load of full lounges every match. Let's leave that to the end in my book. Likewise the Park End. It does a job for now.

It's the area around the Gwladys and the school that need clearing in my book.
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Totally disagree. The bullens and Gwladys street are what make Goodison great. The other stands need demolishing.
 

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