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New Everton Stadium

PhilM said:
They can play their fixtures there. They cannot host a final there, or any form of UEFA Euros fixtures. It really isn't that hard to understand, is it?

That IS the primary reason it is not considered because the rules, on the UEFA website, clearly state they will not consider a non-elite stadia.

Unless you have any evidence to the contrary?
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Fine articles of proof from you and Tom and I agree about pitch side.... But I feel you have missed one key point about Liverpool's pitch being not being eligible, you have both forgotten Liverpool's favourable use of VAR and them bloody lines of pitch length, width can be manoeveured anywhere by their mates at VAR ! Sorry lads Johnnytotal could invariably be right. :blush:
 
mahermi1 said:
Fine articles of proof from you and Tom and I agree about pitch side.... But I feel you have missed one key point about Liverpool's pitch being not being eligible, you have both forgotten Liverpool's favourable use of VAR and them bloody lines of pitch length, width can be manoeveured anywhere by their mates at VAR ! Sorry lads Johnnytotal could invariably be right. :blush:
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Although he is being ripped apart for his commemts, in the end it is up to the FA to put forward the best bid that they can, they'll do that by selecting the most impressive and historic/famous stadiums to be able to sell that to people who will vote on who's awarded the tournament.

The fact is the FA must have offered little or no encouragement to the RS for Anfield to be part of the bid. Anyone who has seen what happens to Spurs' stadium before an NFL game will see how easy it is to gain the yardage required. If the top men thought having Anfield was that important to the bid they would have been able to work with them for that to happen, even offering a grant to alter their new stand. This is quite a shock to me that they didn't because of the points @Tom Hughes raised regarding the fact it has a larger capacity and a much larger hospitality range, which along with the history of the place I thought would make it a no brainer to go to UEFA with.

I could be vaulted to the moon and back where I have categorically said that would be it for us hosting tournament football in the future when our capacity was announced, it just shows you how special the location and design of BMD is to be able to beat them. Given you would think the RS would be open to hosting European finals in future (they are one stand redevelopment from being able to host the CL final), I can only think they are conveniently hiding behind the pitch size issue so to temper any embarrassment of not being the city's representative. Don't be surprised to see them rectify this issue themselves down the line.
 
Mademan said:
It’s surprising how far away the pitch is at Goodison. When you’re sat at the far end of Goodison Road (near the Park End) you get a side-on view of the gap between the actual goal frame and the first row of Park End fans. The distance is like another penalty area.
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It was deliberately built like that as the idea was any further redevelopments to the ground could utilise moving the pitch down to fill that gap, this would give a bigger footprint to any new GS and mean the main stand would cover the entire pitch instead of stopping around 8 to 10 yards short.
 

Mademan said:
It’s surprising how far away the pitch is at Goodison. When you’re sat at the far end of Goodison Road (near the Park End) you get a side-on view of the gap between the actual goal frame and the first row of Park End fans. The distance is like another penalty area.
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Almost 40yrs ago, I was at university in Sheffield and travelled to Brum to meet my then girlfriend (and to watch us at Villa). I arrived earlier than expected at New St, so popped into WH Smiths in the station to kill some time. There, I spotted a book by Simon Inglis... Football grounds of England and Wales. I was a skint student, but after a brief flick through the pages had to have it. In it he briefly explained sightline geometry and gave fairly indepth descriptions and histories of all of the league grounds in England and Wales... with Goodison featuring very strongly in the history of stadium design and his hero Archibald Leitch. I couldn't put it down and was even reading at half-time at Villa Park. I was fascinated by the whole subject area of how stadia worked and the maths behind sightline quality etc.

Many years later I sightline surveyed Goodison (about 25yrs ago) and have the drawings somewhere. From memory, I think it's about 11-12m for the front row of the Park end to the goal line, and about 8m for the Gwladys St. As I say, I need to check those for accuracy, but it's barely a perceptible difference between the 2 on TV. However, the difference in quality of view from each stand is massive. I also surveyed a few dozen stands at various other grounds because I wanted to get a proper idea of what the modern prescribed c-values (C90,C60 etc) meant in the real world for existing stands, old and new. I soon discovered that these almost arbitrary parameters meant slightly different things for side and end stands, different positions within those stands and across different tiers etc. The Top balcony for instance has very low c-values but few would argue that it doesn't provide a great view of the match.... so there is wiggle room for if a stand is a side stand and if it is elevated. However, for goal stands, the goal line is a far more important focal point, requiring greater clarity of view for everyone in it. So any drive towards minimising that distance to the front row always has to measured against that.
 
Mademan said:
It’s surprising how far away the pitch is at Goodison. When you’re sat at the far end of Goodison Road (near the Park End) you get a side-on view of the gap between the actual goal frame and the first row of Park End fans. The distance is like another penalty area.
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I think the other thing to bear in mind is that there’s a difference between distance to pitch (the touchline) and distance to the grass.

The stands are very close to the grass, which is good.

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Tom Hughes said:
Almost 40yrs ago, I was at university in Sheffield and travelled to Brum to meet my then girlfriend (and to watch us at Villa). I arrived earlier than expected at New St, so popped into WH Smiths in the station to kill some time. There, I spotted a book by Simon Inglis... Football grounds of England and Wales. I was a skint student, but after a brief flick through the pages had to have it. In it he briefly explained sightline geometry and gave fairly indepth descriptions and histories of all of the league grounds in England and Wales... with Goodison featuring very strongly in the history of stadium design and his hero Archibald Leitch. I couldn't put it down and was even reading at half-time at Villa Park. I was fascinated by the whole subject area of how stadia worked and the maths behind sightline quality etc.

Many years later I sightline surveyed Goodison (about 25yrs ago) and have the drawings somewhere. From memory, I think it's about 11-12m for the front row of the Park end to the goal line, and about 8m for the Gwladys St. As I say, I need to check those for accuracy, but it's barely a perceptible difference between the 2 on TV. However, the difference in quality of view from each stand is massive. I also surveyed a few dozen stands at various other grounds because I wanted to get a proper idea of what the modern prescribed c-values (C90,C60 etc) meant in the real world for existing stands, old and new. I soon discovered that these almost arbitrary parameters meant slightly different things for side and end stands, different positions within those stands and across different tiers etc. The Top balcony for instance has very low c-values but few would argue that it doesn't provide a great view of the match.... so there is wiggle room for if a stand is a side stand and if it is elevated. However, for goal stands, the goal line is a far more important focal point, requiring greater clarity of view for everyone in it. So any drive towards minimising that distance to the front row always has to measured against that.
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Read that book when I was at uni mate. Great read.
 

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