New Everton Stadium

[mahermi1]

That would be bizarre given that even the brick facade doesn't have a criss cross design to it.

That appears to have been completely abandoned.

I'm not complaining like. It was an idiot backward looking idea to have the Leitch pattern on this 21st century stadium.

One of the drone guys stated he had heard the Archie Leitch pattern on the brick facades were going to be kind of painted in. Don't shoot the messenger, just what I heard.

 

[Paulie]

That would be bizarre given that even the brick facade doesn't have a criss cross design to it.

That appears to have been completely abandoned.

I'm not complaining like. It was an idiot backward looking idea to have the Leitch pattern on this 21st century stadium.

It does have the Leitch design:

 

[Jaeka78]

It has always been there, the drone cameras are unable to pick it up –

 

[AndyRJ]

So from the inside of the stadium, will those panels look almost transparent when looking out?

I'm not sure how they will look from the inside. They look frosted currently so expect they are there to make certain areas weathertight and let in some natural light. They won't be for viewing out of as such.

 

[AndyRJ]

One of the drone guys stated he had heard the Archie Leitch pattern on the brick facades were going to be kind of painted in. Don't shoot the messenger, just what I heard.

I think it's there at the minute with the darker bricks but it's not very visibile so i expect that it will be enhanced later on.

 

[davek]

It does have the Leitch design:

I dont think that's representative.

IIRC that was a prototype in the worshop.

 

[TommyDavo]

I dont think that's representative.

IIRC that was a prototype in the worshop.

Why are you so triggered by a few coloured bricks

 

[Noggsy blue]

That would be bizarre given that even the brick facade doesn't have a criss cross design to it.

That appears to have been completely abandoned.

I'm not complaining like. It was an idiot backward looking idea to have the Leitch pattern on this 21st century stadium.

It’s there but very faint

 

[Noggsy blue]

One of the drone guys stated he had heard the Archie Leitch pattern on the brick facades were going to be kind of painted in. Don't shoot the messenger, just what I heard.

Some of them drone guys haven got a clue what they’re talking about

 

[lesbattersby]

The only thing about this build process I think the club has got wrong, is their lack of promoting the stadium outside of the fan base. Arsenal and Spurs had Sky and other media in during the build multiple times. You'd see Wenger in a hard hat showing them around the stadium. The only thing I can recall was it maybe Henry winter did a article in 1 of the papers. I was watching the overlap on tour tonight and it was in Liverpool. Neville, Carragher and John Barnes were on the ferry and Barnes pointed the stadium out to Neville. He replied saying is that Evertons new stadium, I didn't think they'd started building it yet.

 

[TommyDavo]

The only thing about this build process I think the club has got wrong, is their lack of promoting the stadium outside of the fan base. Arsenal and Spurs had Sky and other media in during the build multiple times. You'd see Wenger in a hard hat showing them around the stadium. The only thing I can recall was it maybe Henry winter did a article in 1 of the papers. I was watching the overlap on tour tonight and it was in Liverpool. Neville, Carragher and John Barnes were on the ferry and Barnes pointed the stadium out to Neville. He replied saying is that Evertons new stadium, I didn't think they'd started building it yet.

I love the understatement personally

 

[BullensRoad]

The "relative cheap" descriptor comes from the basic comparison of where they're at so far:

Approx £200m for 61k capacity versus our £750m for 53k. It really isn't close.

That comparison is even more stark when you realise that basically they got to 54k for just £114m versus £750m. You can break it down further with comparisons of Corporate and General admission capacities, prices and revenue. I think their matchday income will still be over 3 times ours at BMD.

Both their stands needed quite substantial land takes but reused significant existing capacity.... that also meant that quite a large proportion of the construction volume was just to get up to the height of the existing stands.

Compared to the cost of construction the cost of land/property acquisition is quite small in the likes of Anfield/Goodison..... and is usually covered in whole project costs.

Your projected costs for Anfield are all dependent on the design format chosen and on what (if anything) can be retained from the existing stands. So it is difficult to predict the final cost, but you have to remember that if they get to 70k+ capacity at £500m, that is still significantly less than BMD for a much larger stadium and a fraction of the cost of a new build 70k elsewhere.

It's the same reason Real Madrid have spent £1bn on the Bernabeu.... it would cost them £2bn+ to recreate from scratch. So, not cheap as you say, but significantly less than the alternative.

Guess your degree in stadiums comes in handy again.

The facilities

The problem they have is that Anfield will always have limitations with space to expand further and the age of their ground. They retain an iconic stadium undoubtedly, but that comes at a cost. They will never compete with Old Trafford which is a peer club for them and they'll only have a similar capacity to Spurs, Arsenal and City, and even less than West Ham which will hurt their ego.

Whilst 55K would have been more appropriate to the size of our fanbase, our capacity decision focused more on building an iconic modern upgrade to GP, in an unrivalled location. The ageing Anfield can't compete with that.

We also have the ability to add 10K capacity through safe standing to my knowledge which would satisfy demand if necessary. We don't need an ego boost in attendances as we have a 78,000 record attendance at our Home Stadium to boast. These were proper supporters too. That lot may be able to fill the MCG or a Stadium in Bangkok with near 100,000 gloryhunting daytrippers but they'll never do it with genuine supporters and they certainly can't at Anfield.

Anfield is and always will be a nightmare for transport links.

We will have proper investment in the area for the other projects and it will be amazing for the city.

The fan zone is a massive benefit too, it will defo host a European final (sadly not the champs league due to capacity) but it will 100% be an envious stadium across the globe.

 

[BullensRoad]

Many great stadia are Assymetrical.... the Bernabeu, San Siro and Nou camp, Westfalen to name but 4. BMD even has one smaller end stand that some are saying adds to it.

Yes we all know Goodison's short comings, but we don't know what it would look like after it's had £200m+ spent on it like Anfield (let alone £750m), because none of those studies have ever been carried out. Why don't we know that? Just as Liverpool fans didn't know what a refurbished Anfield might look like prior to FSG. They were told it wasn't possible or financially feasible..... when the facts have shown the opposite to be the truth. H&G wanted a massive futuristic statement project which would've added even more debt, but could've packaged the club to maximise a quick return. Their debts in acquiring the club and reliance on debt led financing to build pulled the rug after the crash. We couldn't even secure a loan for BMD before the Ukraine conflict and despite the owner funding the whole intial phase with a £30m upfront promise of sponsorship. Why is/was that? The loss of our backer has turned what there was of a financial model upside down.... FM has had to pay for the lot and potentially sell one quarter of the whole club to MSP for just one fifth of the cost of the stadium build alone! That doesn't shout rude health by any measure!

Yes, BMD looks great....but, lets be honest, it should do at £750m!!! What if the resultant Profit and Sustainability issues blow up in our faces? Could it sink the club without trace? What will it look like then.....? Will that be a negative or a positive?

So, yes..... we know all the good stuff..... and yes, much of it looks really good. Or at least it did with USM involved. What about the rest? Should we never discuss the issues even when the authorities so clearly are? Has the club's scattergun economic model been that successful thus far that it has filled us all with unending confidence? If so, I've missed something!

I'm as excited about the stadium as most..... but i have some reservations/concerns, that I don't think are unfounded. I don't believe in using hype or misplaced/misinformed comparisons to mask them.

Tom you do realise £100m+ was just to fill the dock and foundations alone.

The stadium design and facilities are incredible, there's no other stadium in the UK which has what we're doing.

We all love goodison but it's time to move on.

The location it's self will have unprecedented value, please stop undermining and patronising something that is making people excited.

I'm pretty certain now that you and esk are sitting in a room thinking of the best ways to cause unnecessary distress.

 

[mahermi1]

Some of them drone guys haven got a clue what they’re talking about

possibly as I don't know them just what I heard off one of their videos, I'm not saying it's gospel but I'm not saying their wrong either.

 

[BullensRoad]

One of the drone guys stated he had heard the Archie Leitch pattern on the brick facades were going to be kind of painted in. Don't shoot the messenger, just what I heard.

Hahahaha. It's already incorporated and will be more visible when the elements take their toll.