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New Everton Stadium

Is it not time for the Esk to give it up? When was the last time he said something positive about the club, we are trying to look forward to what will hopefully be a new era for the club and all the Esk does is rehash old articles with his opinion and claim that any potential takeovers are doomed to fail,
It is quite tiresome, I appreciate on here some posters think he is God.
I've always been able to tolerate his twitter posts as he has proved to have some knowledge on business dealings, I suspect he sees himself as an important Evertonian who represents our fanbase, far from it imo.
To me, this feels like just another reason to run the club down, superb stadium , the crowd base I'm thinking are thrilled with what their seeing, but here we have more negativity, it's ridiculous.
 

Whilst I, like many, think 60k+ would be suitable for a club of our size I doubt it ever would have been feasible given our financial constraints (due to Usmanov pulling back), inflation in the cost of materials and the increase in interest rates since ground was broken. The original estimate was £500m but the latest reports state that it has risen to £800m. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-confirm-real-cost-32216717.amp

The club have nearly bankrupted themselves building 53k and the cost of an additional 10k would likely be another £200m+. As Meis says the cost increases exponentially as it’s not just seats but concourses, stairwells, toilets etc. and it’s worth remembered that the additional seats/capacity would be the lowest value in terms of revenue.

I’m glad that Friedkin are considering increasing capacity and I’m sure that it would be feasible with enough will power and demand. The question will be at what cost and if it makes financial sense to do so.

My most pie in the sky assumption is that rather than filling in a Nelson’s dock and producing a music venue next to it (like City have done). It would make sense to use that money to fit a retractable roof and pitch cover system and make BMD the indoor multi-venue in order to increase revenue streams that way.
 
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I cant see the point of having this debate now regardless of whether the esk is right or wrong. I think he has a point, but we're a few months off opening and it isn't helpful to have this debate anymore.

That said, the esk didn't resurrect this - TFG did.


Please link to the official press release from TFG stating they want to increase the capacity of Bramley Moore Dock?
 

I cant see the point of having this debate now regardless of whether the esk is right or wrong. I think he has a point, but we're a few months off opening and it isn't helpful to have this debate anymore.

That said, the esk didn't resurrect this - TFG did.

I don't think it's either helpful nor harmful tbh, because as you say it has been resurrected by the prospective new owners themselves. It appears to be a potential issue on their radar, unless I've misread. Change of owner often produces a change of perspective.... sometimes even a diametrically opposed one. The fact that they appear to be getting the stadium for nowt (and/or the club for a song), might have shifted that financial envelope.

Capacity of any new stadium is often a contentious issue. I've read of similar arguments regards several new stadium proposals in Italy/USA/elsewhere. The perspective of the decision can also be framed in multiple ways to seemingly justify any chosen figure. I can remember Wyness happily declaring that the Loop site was inappropriate because...... the club needed a site that could be "future-proofed" for expansion to 70k+. That ambition appears to have gone out of the window. Conversely, Moshiri could've tried to do a Juventus. Chose a capacity of 40-44k. More than halved the construction costs, put 50% on the GA season ticket prices, trimming the season tkt numbers accordingly and still achieving 4-5k corporate, including 40-60 boxes. It would've been quite easy to make that "business case" for going small.... and just hyped up the quality of view/comfort/facilities etc.

I think that initially BMD was largely driven by the promise of the 2027 CWGs. There would've been several hundred Millions of pounds worth of funds allocated to that. Including several new high-value-adding infrastructure and neighbouring ancillary developments too. Durban's decision to withdraw from the last games, shifted that window of opportunity. BMD was then seen as too risky in terms of timelines etc and Brum got it. There was quite a long period of silence following that decision, then almost out of nowhere, 61,878 was no-more and the revised figure of 52,888 appeared, with all the usual ensuing arguments that after consideration, this was best "sweetspot" fit for our requirements etc. Tbh, I don't think Meis would've had any imput in that process other than to provide estimates for both sized options.... and even much of that process would've been largely supplied by local expertise.

62k was always highly aspirational, and imo was only ever a possibility with the additional CWG funding. The cost for almost 53k nearly saw us off. Killed off 777 in the process and has probably seen Moshiri taking the most expensive haircut in football club owning history. Maybe the resultant debt restructuring and the relative infrastructure-asset-rich position of our new owners will now make remodelling to 60k viable. Maybe they'll wait to see how well the demand holds up following the opening with the new price structuring.
 
I cant see the point of having this debate now regardless of whether the esk is right or wrong. I think he has a point, but we're a few months off opening and it isn't helpful to have this debate anymore.

That said, the esk didn't resurrect this - TFG did.
Did they?

Considering practically nothing comes out from them why would they choose to release something like this right on top of us getting the keys?

Paul Quinn is free to write what he wants but it smacks of him trying to stay relevant because the takeover is almost done,its not helpful and a bit desperate on his part to be perfectly honest,especially when a the world class architect is having to slap you down In front of everyone....again!
 
Please link to the official press release from TFG stating they want to increase the capacity of Bramley Moore Dock?

Going to say exactly that. It's utter hearsay. It's good business to do the studies, but no way do they come in to a new build and say we are going to turn it into a building site for the next 2 years.

They'll want to see how the fan plaza performs before eating into that space and that's going to take a few years to shake out. In that time things could completely change again.
 

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