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New Everton Stadium

blulouie said:
The lowering of the roof was in order to satisfy Liverpool Planning well after losing Heritage Status.
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I'm not sure whose direction it was it might well have been the City Council because of their small (tall) buildings policy. I thought it was down to UNESCO WHS
as everyone knows Everton bent over backwards and then some more. They still went and cancelled the WHS for Liverpool.
 

Azza said:
Esk getin rekt'd

What a sight.
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Is it not time for the Esk to give it up? When was the last time he said something positive about the club, we are trying to look forward to what will hopefully be a new era for the club and all the Esk does is rehash old articles with his opinion and claim that any potential takeovers are doomed to fail,
 
I get some fans can only see a number and dont understand how it effects gameday experience...

But have they not lived through the last couple of years? Paying for the current stadium cost has very nearly cost the club as the line between being able to complete the stadium and relegation/administration/whatever was quite thin. I genuinely think the cost of a 60k stadium, in hindsight, could have sunk the club. And on another note, are much longer lines better because you want to brag that there are another 10k people in your stadium? I think its worth considering the stadium experience itself.
 
Bedfordblue said:
That’s interesting, I wonder how many stewards there are at GP and what the ratio to fans is.
500 sounds like a hell of a lot, but without any context or comparison I don’t know what to make of it.
One thing is for certain, despite the significant revenue increase, there a first indicator of the increase in running costs I guess.
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Prob a big increase of stewards maybe for the plaza and fan zone
 
The stadium could and should have been with a higher capacity. The start was very much earmarked for 60,000. While that was all up in the air about the capacity 61878 was bandied about on here frequently. Meis himself took part went with the flow on Twitter. At some point the plans changed and it became an underwhelming 52k. My own view was that was down to the club not being brave enough, having no believe that we'd fill a bigger stadium. Cautious Elstone perhaps. The club has set their stalls out for years as being a mid-table mid-sized club so it figures that the stadium would also be that size. Barely more than St James' Park.

I personally don't get the resistance. I always felt we should be aiming for a bigger stadium, make a statement. I mean right now we can't do anything it's built. It is what it is. 🤷‍♂️ unless TFG has plans of their own.......

I disagree that having a bigger capacity would have sunk the club. It's the people who ran the club, they nearly sunk it. Moshiri, for all his effort, was trying to sell us to 777 for God's sake. Now THAT would have sunk the club.
 

Davideeyore said:
You seem to have overlooked Everton have almost always sold out in the last couple of decades also overlooked the thousands on the waiting lists. You have also disregarded some very obvious issues with GP. It's old, and dated. That it has a small capacity and that there are posts in the way almost everywhere.

That leap from 39k to 52/53k isn't a big leap. There will be demand - history of clubs that have moved shows there's a new stadium bounce. There's also the fact that it's a waterfront how many clubs have that in their locker?

If fans have not deserted us during the last 10-15 years with (especially more recently) some of the worst football ever and a dearth of even moderate success, why do you think "we will struggle to fill the new ground after 5-10 years"?

Surely we want to be successful so success should bring more fans. Ultimately. I know it's not a given but TFG can be a platform to moving the club out of this self imposed trophy drought.

I started watching Everton in 84 just before the mid-80's success and during it I know there's been some low attendances. And after it in the early 90's. But let's not be negative and fearful. After all if other clubs are targeting the sweet spot of 60,000 plus why should we be any different? I want us to be part of that particular party not excluded from it.

Somewhere someone has driven this small club mentality and along with it small is intimate. It's the small club mentality of the club of the last couple of decades. I want that driven out of the club.

Another point is people say we've never had an average gate of more than 55,000 (thereabouts). What does that have to do with anything? We've had crowds at Goodison in the 70's (70 thousand plus) my dad told me he was at the game with the highest attendance 78,299 in 1948. But attendances always fluctuated. I've been at Goodison when there was 50-odd thousand. Build it-they will come.
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I feel like Everton have a huge and loyal support BUT also need to attract the younger fans, by having a larger capacity allows the option to invite local schools etc, if only 10-20% in time becomes blues that still grows our support, we need to attract the casual support who have now chance of getting into A*field and I honestly think we have a huge opportunity with the new stadium to build the next generation of blues

I have two kids but only me as a season ticket holder, with a larger stadium there is more chance of 2 or 3 of us sitting together
 
Trowel said:
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That to me doesn’t fill me with confidence that the design allowed for a greater than 1:1 safe standing ratio as has often been suggested.
There was ample opportunity to mention that but he doesn’t.
In fact he says he’s sceptical it will ever be greater than 1:1 and part of the justification for not expanding seating capacity was the exponential increase of concourses etc, which to me suggests they’re built for current capacity.
Might just be my pessimism seeing something that isn’t there but 🤷‍♂️
 

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