New manager

[MrGrumpy]

I can see it now tbh, Mourinho leading us out in the new stadium, first league game of the season. That mischievous glint in his eye, the grey hair, the long black coat. Revamped Everton squad behind him raring to go.
A quick handshake with the Wycombe Wanderers manager and off we go.

Lay off it, clearly they want a Hollywood class, Wrexham it is

 

[bluestevon]

I've never bought into ideological football. To me, pragmatism is necessary in every walk of life. He is a brilliant pragmatist. Ideologues creep me out. We had that with Roberto, and the evangelical glaze in his eyes as he described Aiden McGeady as "phenomenal." Ancelotti made a career out of pragmatism. He could play football with the best of them, but knew how to turn a game when, potentially, out-gunned. Mourinho is similar.

I want winning football - not beautiful football. If we can have both, so much the better, but that's merely a bonus. A manager like Mourinho will demand good players. Even if he sets up pragmatically, he will have technical players on that pitch, fellas who can mix it as well as play. We're used to donkeys in recent years at Everton. But donkeys don't win derbies (well, maybe occasionally).

Yeah managers like Dyche or Allardyce often get labelled as pragmatic but they're actually ideologues in truth. Can see that with the fact no matter which team which players etc they will doggedly stick to exactly the same style of play even when it's failing badly.

Mourinho is way more Ancelotti as you said, and actually I think Ferguson was cut from the exact same cloth. (As was catterick btw)

 

[Drico]

Assuming we stay up this season - which, granted, is a sizeable assumption - what could go wrong with Mourinho even if he flopped? The Friedkins would simply move him along.

The "risk" to the club with Mourinho, in general, is old regime thinking. Under Moshiri, he would be a head-banging appointment as we couldn't afford the drama. But the Friedkins had all that at Roma and survived.

Plenty in the media will advise against Mourinho, but then plenty in the media would laugh at the idea of Everton aiming for the top six places in this league and becoming European regulars.

We need to think big after 35 years of being run like a corner shop.

 

[Delargeinho]

Ok both at Roma. What about all of those other failures in which he was sacked?

There is my question always why Jose manages to have 2 good seasons at almost any clubs and wins trophies, well Spurs excluded not even Jesus can win trophies there.

But then the third year there is a big decline, that was almost at all of his last stations since Madrid.

 

[MaximusEvertonius]

“I want winning football - not beautiful football“

I love that. Yes. This. Your summary is spot on. Everything with Mourinho would instantly improve but it’s the long-term more at risk.

 

[bluestevon]

Ok both at Roma. What about all of those other failures in which he was sacked?

Sacked after failing at united, in two seasons he won't the Europa, the League cup and finished fa cup and league runner up to City, Spurs finished 6th, reached the cup final and was sacked on the eve of it. Roma Won a European pot, reached the final of another, finished in European spots both seasons.

 

[Blue_Eagle]

If Mourinho is a manager who wins trophies and then bounces after a couple of years, then he should come nowhere near Everton because there's not a squad here that's capable of winning trophies in the next couple of years.

We need a long-term squad to be built and someone with a recent track record of doing that.

In all seriousness, this is not the droid we're looking for people, it's just blues having their ego's massaged by seeing a hollywood star in the dugout.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Ok both at Roma. What about all of those other failures in which he was sacked?

So basically United (won a European trophy) and Spurs. No subsequent manager has done any better with either I’d argue.

 

[Daytripper]

Can only imagine those Darren Griffiths/Jose post match interviews

“Jose. A 4-0 defeat but we played well in those last ten minutes “

“I wish not to speak”

 

[Delargeinho]

Sacked after failing at united, in two seasons he won't the Europa, the League cup and finished fa cup and league runner up to City, Spurs finished 6th, reached the cup final and was sacked on the eve of it. Roma Won a European pot, reached the final of another, finished in European spots both seasons.

Ancelotti's career:

Got sacked by Parma, Got sacked by Juventus, Resigned from AC Milan, Got sacked by Chelsea, Jumped ship from PSG to Real Madrid, Got sacked by Real Madrid, Got sacked by Bayern Munich, Got sacked by Napoli, Jumped ship from Everton to Real Madrid again, Currently at Real again.

Won many trophies and righteously regarded as one of the best ever managers.

But on the other hand how many currently active manager have brought long-term success and longevity. to their club, Pep, Simeone, Klopp that's about it.

 

[GoldenToffee]

“I want winning football - not beautiful football“

I love that. Yes. This. Your summary is spot on. Everything with Mourinho would instantly improve but it’s the long-term more at risk.

Whereas for Sean you need to replace the word winning with drawing.

 

[Drico]

There is my question always why Jose manages to have 2 good seasons at almost any clubs and wins trophies, well Spurs excluded not even Jesus can win trophies there.

But then the third year there is a big decline, that was almost at all of his last stations since Madrid.

I'll take that third year of failure for two years of success, thanks.

 

[Delargeinho]

I'll take that third year of failure for two years of success, thanks.

Or we'll take Jose for 2 years, and then get another one to build up on.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Okay lads I’ve worked out the plan of TFG

Get Mourinho, get an Amazon documentary, win the fa cup and get Europe in our 1st season in BMD, all we need for this brilliant plan to work is

Dyche not losing to Peterborough …o balls

 

[ForeverEverton]

Just the two European trophies delivered in his last 4 jobs. I’ll take that level of shocking.

And denied the opportunity to win a trophy with Spurs in the week before a cup final.... closest Spurs have been to a trophy in years.