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I must admit i had major doubts as to just how much finance would actually be put in by PIF, and over how long a period if it had been given the go ahead. Crucially the management structure was almost completely unreflective of the money put in by the various partners, PCP capital, the Reuben brothers and the 80% stake from PIF!!! The day to day running was envisaged to be mainly by the small minority partner Amanda Stavely, and from that point of view I was on the same page as catcherintherye. It wasn't to my mind likely to be all that was hoped for by Newcastle's fans. Yes, there were plenty of promises of investment in the club and area no doubt, but promises and actuality are two different matters altogether.

Any doubt that Yasir Al-Rumayyan belonged to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s innermost circle was dispelled when a photo of them went viral in Saudi Arabia in December 2018.

It showed him in a group relaxing, the so called 'band of hiking bros' as they've been dubbed by the financial press, resplendent in baseball caps, shorts and t shirts. His rise has amazingly almost exactly mirrored the rise to power of the prince himself, there's a coincidence.

Yasir Al-Rumayyan was the Saudi banker who became the head of Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund and a close confidante of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman with no experience in oil or energy, yet it was he who was put forward to run Saudi Aramco in 2019. This was the country's top corporate job at the world's most profitable company as it prepared for what may have been the biggest initial public offering (IPO) ever. This alone perhaps confirmed a pattern of the rising fortunes of the former banker almost exactly mirroring the rise of the prince.

As chairman of the Saudi sovereign wealth fund he now sits on the board of some of their other major investments including Uber. He was to become chairman of Newcastle with NO visible presence, an almost unheard of situation where the major investor providing 80% of the finance and the investment isn't truly reflected within the management structure.

There's little doubt that besides the well publicised streaming piracy infringements, it was the possible direct 'influence' of the regime itself, although maybe technically a separate entity, one that they could argue had no legal basis, that was the major concern and let's face it in reality, probability. So little wonder the premier league not being naive enough to just let this go when their controlling rights are being allegedly pirated by that same regimes' 'unowned again, and completely separate' streaming station, BeoutQ . Believing the regime to not exert undue influence and power over it's interests isn't realistic, their record shows it. The possible connections to the Saudi regime could be denied as nothing official or legal,bbut the overwhelming probability is they were definitely real enough and the controlling interest, in actuality if not on paper, would be the regime itself.

I share your concerns and don't want protectionism of the rich cartel of clubs and FFP to survive, I don't want the drawbridge to be drawn up so noone else can join or even compete. But this failed bid didn't do that, even if it sounds dramatic to assert it did not at all. It was the piracy, the alleged influence over the pirate station of the regime, the commercial conflicts of rights issues in the middle East and doubts over the actual influence of the regime within the sovereign wealth fund and the unreflective proposed management structure that made what should have been a straightforward procesz into such a massively and unexpected protracted one. The premier league couldn't legally prove anything but we're reluctant knowing the all too likely actuality. In the end they were probably grateful the bidders themselves pulled out

I'm against the cosy cartel, protected by FFP that ganged up on City. The tearing down of the protectionist FFP and the artificial barriers erected by the rich to protect the rich, that was the real battle to my mind. Man City's victory in their appeal represented the first steps towards the crumbling of those walls. Successful takeovers should now effectively have more licence to spend their own money on their own clubs how they want to (spend their own money)

Although it may sound perverse to some, City's victory in their appeal was also a victory for the aspirant clubs hoping for a takeover so they too can one day compete at the top table. FFP is and has always been the real barrier, now Platini's barrier is crumbling.

All fair points. From the outside it looks to me like the PL made a perfectly reasonable request- how do you propose to tackle piracy of our product. Any serious buyer, particularly one who itnended to make any sort of investment into a product would understandably comply with that. However this became a red rag to a bull to PIF, who seemed to double down on it, and ende dup banning other broadcasters. This is not a serious approach to wanting to buy something.

It would be like if you wanted to buy a house, you have to have a survey done. As a buyer though, you refuse to pay for a survey. It just drags on and on, Eventually the sale will fall through. Whatever you think of the validity of the survey, if you know that the sale collapses on that basis, and you have it within your remit to pay for a survey and don't that would normally point to one thing-you don't want to go through with the sale.

In all honesty, the PL have behaved with enormous pateince here. Thats the only thing they ciuld be accused of-probably showing too much patience. However they did not reject the deal, it has collapsed because the buyer has pulled out, citing an inability to make money.

What people also seem to confuse, and we had this earlier in the thread, is the difference betweem having lots of money and wanting to spend lots of money. The 300bn is the entire investment pot for an entire country. The idea this pot of money, was at the behest of Newcastle United, or indeed most of it is even liquidity that can be transferred easily into pounds/Euro's is fanciful. Most of their investments, are going to be longer term, safe investments. So take maybe 50% off that figure. Factor in a collapse in oil price, which hits them hard, take 35% of that figure and you're at 100bn. Factor in the liquidity issue 50% and another probably 50% for the money that is available to be spent in that region you're at 25bn. Most of that figure is going to want to be spent outside of sport, so again take perhaps 80% out and you're down at maybe £5bn real money that could be spent on sport.

Then factor in, she is clearly not dealing with Bin Salman who has access to mostof the fund. Probably a more peripheral Rotal cousin or whatever, who may be allocated 10% of that budget over say a 10 year period to invest. I think the reality set in that they ultimately didn't want to plunge most of it into Newcastle without getting a return.

All of these points gave been made time and again to the utter charlatans in their fanbase, who've just replied "cans" or something inane and are now trying to place the blame on anyone other than the buyer, when the blame lies singularly with the buyer. It's pathetic.

As a slight aside, Saudi will not be investing in the PL going forward, and in all honesty, I think we've now probably seen the last state owned takeover of any of our clubs.
 
Wow, too busy getting the digs in to see what has happened here. The PL has bowed to pressures unrelated to the O&D test and made a request that could never be satisfied. At the very start of the process the PL recognised PIF as a separate legal entity, they have now asked that the country be named as a director and that the country undergo the O&D test. That’s just ridiculous.

Had this been a top 6 takeover it would have gone through make no mistake about that. The Saudis have been investing heavily throughout this pandemic, their statement about uncertain economic climate doesn’t ring right. They certainly weren’t going to say that they pulled out because they weren’t considered fit and proper.

Right, enjoy your day, I need to get Shearer out of his bed, collect the grandson from our Keegan’s house and take Rafael for his walk.
You speak nonsense. There's a very good reason that the fit and proper tests weren't completed by the PL. Because the PIF couldn't or wouldn't explain away their true relationship with a despotic and despicable regime.

Maybe when you pick up your grandson Shelvey you should consider that you have had one hell of a lucky escape from being owned by a country run on fear, murder and the promises of money using your club to wash the blood from their reputation.
 

Wow, too busy getting the digs in to see what has happened here. The PL has bowed to pressures unrelated to the O&D test and made a request that could never be satisfied. At the very start of the process the PL recognised PIF as a separate legal entity, they have now asked that the country be named as a director and that the country undergo the O&D test. That’s just ridiculous.

Had this been a top 6 takeover it would have gone through make no mistake about that. The Saudis have been investing heavily throughout this pandemic, their statement about uncertain economic climate doesn’t ring right. They certainly weren’t going to say that they pulled out because they weren’t considered fit and proper.

Right, enjoy your day, I need to get Shearer out of his bed, collect the grandson from our Keegan’s house and take Rafael for his walk.
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Wow, too busy getting the digs in to see what has happened here. The PL has bowed to pressures unrelated to the O&D test and made a request that could never be satisfied. At the very start of the process the PL recognised PIF as a separate legal entity, they have now asked that the country be named as a director and that the country undergo the O&D test. That’s just ridiculous.

Had this been a top 6 takeover it would have gone through make no mistake about that. The Saudis have been investing heavily throughout this pandemic, their statement about uncertain economic climate doesn’t ring right. They certainly weren’t going to say that they pulled out because they weren’t considered fit and proper.

Right, enjoy your day, I need to get Shearer out of his bed, collect the grandson from our Keegan’s house and take Rafael for his walk.
Definitely agree with this part. They put forward their bid in April, slap bang in the middle of lockdown. They’ve used this as an excuse as they knew the PL would not approve their bid (what the exact reasons for have yet to come out) and by all accounts the PL took the wisest (some would say cowardly) decision by doing nothing, and just wait for the Saudis to pull out.

The Queen is pictured having tea with the Saudi leader, British arms are sold to them for a fortune, so none of this human rights nonsense that some are suggesting as the reason it hasn’t happened. It would be great if nobody dealt with the Saudis, but that’s not reality. Unfortunately money talks.
 

I’m really not sure why everyone is celebrating this decision. The Saudis may not be the nicest out there but that’s not the reason this fell through. The PL, pressurised by PL clubs and tv rights partners have bottled this. Every other club can forget about attempting to join the party. By their own O&D test this should have passed, the PL accepted the PIF were a separate legal entity and then wanted the country named as a director to do tests on. That’s just madness and contradictory.

The PL is dead is far as I’m concerned now; it’s meaningless, globally the fan base of the top 6 will grow, that’ll satisfy tv audiences who don’t like to see their team lose and we and you will be there to make the numbers up.

The greater loss is to the region. We are in the middle of a global pandemic, the Rueben brothers already own a large chunk of ground and property around Newcastle and the prospect of increased investment was huge. People with no interest in football will lose out, sorely needed Govt investment will not materialise. The Reuben’s have for some time been contributing to local food banks.

SA has an appalling human rights record but nobody should kid themselves that this stopped the deal. You shouldn’t afraid of what could have been, you need to wake up to what is already there.

This isn’t sour grapes, it’s a realisation of the closed shop that will not be broken.

Cheers lads, try and stop the stereotype view of the average person from the north east eh.
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