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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

Runub said:
Looking at the next permanent manager odds seems they are no closer to securing one. Looking at their upcoming fixtures they could be in a really bad situation in the league from which it will be difficult to come back from. I can see the teams immediately above them, Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Palace etc. picking up points here and there so Newcastle could be nailed at the bottom along with Norwich who appear a hopeless case.
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What I take from the 1st few weeks, is these owners seem a lot less serious than Citys were. It's becoming a bit shambolic for them.
 

I can’t find the stats but I would imagine there would be few teams that have avoided relegation with a start of 4 points from 10 games. Yes they may sign players in January but maybe that will be too late to save them
 
catcherintherye said:
What I take from the 1st few weeks, is these owners seem a lot less serious than Citys were. It's becoming a bit shambolic for them.
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You have to ask the question no one seems to have asked yet. Why?

Sovereign wealth funds aint there for funsies. They are there for when oil/gas/whatever, runs out. Norway have a massive one for example. The City/PSG ownership is clear sports washing, discuss at your leisure. Saudi Arabia cares not a fig what folk think of them, see the boxing they put one. That was direct Government spending. (Cheap when comparing that spend to funding a prem football club)

PIF are in for a return, medium to long term. They may well make Newcastle a global brand and triple their outlay, who knows. But I would wager they will not lob a fortune at the club, short term.
 
Runub said:
Looking at the next permanent manager odds seems they are no closer to securing one. Looking at their upcoming fixtures they could be in a really bad situation in the league from which it will be difficult to come back from. I can see the teams immediately above them, Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Palace etc. picking up points here and there so Newcastle could be nailed at the bottom along with Norwich who appear a hopeless case.
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Well predicted, Burnley, Palace, and Southampton all won today....Leeds to beat Norwich tomorrow ??
 
roydo said:
You have to ask the question no one seems to have asked yet. Why?

Sovereign wealth funds aint there for funsies. They are there for when oil/gas/whatever, runs out. Norway have a massive one for example. The City/PSG ownership is clear sports washing, discuss at your leisure. Saudi Arabia cares not a fig what folk think of them, see the boxing they put one. That was direct Government spending. (Cheap when comparing that spend to funding a prem football club)

PIF are in for a return, medium to long term. They may well make Newcastle a global brand and triple their outlay, who knows. But I would wager they will not lob a fortune at the club, short term.
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I have yet to see anything from them, that makes me think they are going to have Newcastle winning a title within 5 years. The fact they kept Bruce, then have got Greame Jones in, and are generally making a bit of a mess with lots of names currently.

500m doesn't get you anywhere near as much as it used to as well, as we have shown. They are trying to climb from a much lower base than we were in when Farhad arrived too, where we still have a squad with lots of assets that had lost it's way. They are a shambles from top to finish. I think it will be a lot harder than people think.

If they were seriously on a trajectory to league winners within 5 years I can't see a world where Benitez says no to them.

The reason people don't ask why though, is it's not an easy news story to generate quick clicks. Essentially football reporting likes quick, easy conclusions that can be easily repeated.
 

catcherintherye said:
I have yet to see anything from them, that makes me think they are going to have Newcastle winning a title within 5 years. The fact they kept Bruce, then have got Greame Jones in, and are generally making a bit of a mess with lots of names currently.

500m doesn't get you anywhere near as much as it used to as well, as we have shown. They are trying to climb from a much lower base than we were in when Farhad arrived too, where we still have a squad with lots of assets that had lost it's way. They are a shambles from top to finish. I think it will be a lot harder than people think.

If they were seriously on a trajectory to league winners within 5 years I can't see a world where Benitez says no to them.

The reason people don't ask why though, is it's not an easy news story to generate quick clicks. Essentially football reporting likes quick, easy conclusions that can be easily repeated.
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I dont see Burnley going down. Theyve been in this situation so many times before and know how to grind our results.

Leeds i think will have too much over the season.

Norwich and Watford i think will be in the mix and so far theyre 6pts behind Watford and only 2 ahead of Norwich.

As you alluded to, why they have come in without tapping up managers through agents is beyond me. Surely the common sense approach would have been to speak with agents to see who was available and get straight into hiring someone.

If they continue losing games then they could be down by January. At that point they will need to hit their FFP limit just to roll the dice.
 
catcherintherye said:
Essentially football reporting likes quick, easy conclusions that can be easily repeated.
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And sovereign wealth funds want the exact opposite. Long term secure yields, potential for capital growth, bingo.

I mean, maybe, the Saudi Royal family have got a sudden hard on for football. Its not impossible. So perhaps using their PIF thing scratches that itch.
 
roydo said:
And sovereign wealth funds want the exact opposite. Long term secure yields, potential for capital growth, bingo.

I mean, maybe, the Saudi Royal family have got a sudden hard on for football. Its not impossible. So perhaps using their PIF thing scratches that itch.
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Football is an odd thing to invest in though isnt it? There are a lot of pitfalls. Despite many who have tried, I can think of 2 takeovers that have been successful (perhaps 3 if you include FSG). Saudis also bought Sheffield United, who are currently languishing in the championship too.

There is a possibility, that they dont really know what they are doing, and make a bit of a mess of it.
 

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