Next Everton Manager

[bluestevon]

Apparently that WRD who said Fonseca is signing a new deal wasn't the real WRD with the info

as i said mate, find it hard to figure out how he'd know anything about a new contract otherwise.

 

[meagher94]

No and no.

Apparently that WRD who said Fonseca is signing a new deal wasn't the real WRD with the info

It was the real one, I checked his post history, it was him

 

[bluestevon]

I think what Dave says make sense. Are we so fickle or unsure of our judgement that we change our mind about a manager so quickly even though there were circumstances which contributed to his demise at Watford.

The only caveat that I would add is the arrival on the market of a manager of proven calibre. I am thinking of Emery who will probably be leaving PSG. We know that he was our first choice before Koeman , Silva or anybody else but obviously PSG was way to big a job to turn down. It looks as if he may be out of work in the summer and Moshiri will probably at least enquire about availability. There may be a couple of other managers that may also become available in the summer that were tied last December but I think if nothing obvious becomes available then we will probably go back for Silva.

Having a poor season really doesn't alter our standing hugely. The new stadium is important and the transfer budget is even more important as any new manager will want to bring in a number of his own players anyway. There are enough good players at Everton to at least offer a base on which to build a team , for instance Funes Mori is not held in very high regard by some Evertonians but when fit he is a first choice Argentine centre half. Players like Pickford, Coleman, Walcott, Sigurdsson and some others will be seen as a very good starting point.

Depends mate, my own thinking on it, would be as follows.

IF we wanted Silva as badly as it seemed then now he is available we should go out and get him unless one thing happens, a manager who system/style wise plays very similar - but who is a better version of him has become available.

So for arguments sake, Fonseca stock has risen hugely the last 3-4 months, he plays attractive football as does silva, both play similar systems, etc, then yeah can see the reasoning behind that move

IF we suddenly went and hired a Dyche, LVG style manager - defensive orientated etc then it would scream out we have absolutely no clue as to what direction we want to take the club.

As i said earlier though, we could have gotten Fonseca and chose Silva as the one we wanted back in October, obviously since then each man has gone in different directions, but being willing to pay 15m or whatever and all the bad press that came with trying to prise Silva out of Watford, it seems odd that we end up going for someone we could have gotten with little of the fuss, with none of the mess thats come with going for BFS as manager etc.

and honestly just shows that we either have too many cooks in the kitchen or possibly we have a crazy Iranian chef in charge.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Who do we blame for taking 6 weeks to get a manager? The board Kenwright and co or Moshiri? Did it simply come down to Moshiri having to act as the board messed about.

Sam was a panic manager we all know this, the Southampton match was terrible.

In Silva defence for getting relegated with Hull, they did sell there 2-3 best players then gave him 0 money and he almost kept them up, plus he beat the RS

 

[Connor]

Going to copy and paste this from another forum I wrote it on, but still.

Dave's posts on Silva makes a lot of sense and they're good posts but I think it's kind of moved on from that now.

Yes, Moshiri put serious time and looked to make a sizeable payment out on Silva - 22-24 million I was told by three different sources - but Silva himself made a few late changes to the goalposts in the move in terms of his contract with us and clauses.

I was told, and this bit I'm not entirely sure on because it came from a different source, that Moshiri was wound up by that late change and wasn't coming back with a second offer even though he wanted too. Thus, ultimately leading him to Allardyce and other targets - read, Fonseca here - that is why we have considerable interest in Fonseca.

Given the chance, I think Moshiri would take Silva, hundred percent - I've posted a few times about it on Twitter and also written a few times recently that Foncesa is target One A whilst Silva is One B but that Fonseca is deffo the top target regardless.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Going to copy and paste this from another forum I wrote it on, but still.

Dave's posts on Silva makes a lot of sense and they're good posts but I think it's kind of moved on from that now.

Yes, Moshiri put serious time and looked to make a sizeable payment out on Silva - 22-24 million I was told by three different sources - but Silva himself made a few late changes to the goalposts in the move in terms of his contract with us and clauses.

I was told, and this bit I'm not entirely sure on because it came from a different source, that Moshiri was wound up by that late change and wasn't coming back with a second offer even though he wanted too. Thus, ultimately leading him to Allardyce and other targets - read, Fonseca here - that is why we have considerable interest in Fonseca.

Given the chance, I think Moshiri would take Silva, hundred percent - I've posted a few times about it on Twitter and also written a few times recently that Foncesa is target One A whilst Silva is One B but that Fonseca is deffo the top target regardless.

We never had permission to speak to Silva as Watford rejected our offer and blocked the move.

So Silva’s supposed demands are completely moot, he’d have walked here imo.

 

[Connor]

We never had permission to speak to Silva as Watford rejected our offer and blocked the move.

So Silva’s supposed demands are completely moot, he’d have walked here imo.

We spoke to Silva.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Silva couldn't manage a dump !

Useless !!

 

[bluestevon]

We never had permission to speak to Silva as Watford rejected our offer and blocked the move.

So Silva’s supposed demands are completely moot, he’d have walked here imo.

and Liverpool never had permission to speak to VVD until it got out that him and Klopp where seen on the Big Wheel together sharing Candy Floss.

They both have Mendez as an agent, near enough a certainty that we spoke to each mate, where we physically in a room together - likely no, but doesn't matter much really.

 

[bluestevon]

Going to copy and paste this from another forum I wrote it on, but still.

Dave's posts on Silva makes a lot of sense and they're good posts but I think it's kind of moved on from that now.

Yes, Moshiri put serious time and looked to make a sizeable payment out on Silva - 22-24 million I was told by three different sources - but Silva himself made a few late changes to the goalposts in the move in terms of his contract with us and clauses.

I was told, and this bit I'm not entirely sure on because it came from a different source, that Moshiri was wound up by that late change and wasn't coming back with a second offer even though he wanted too. Thus, ultimately leading him to Allardyce and other targets - read, Fonseca here - that is why we have considerable interest in Fonseca.

Given the chance, I think Moshiri would take Silva, hundred percent - I've posted a few times about it on Twitter and also written a few times recently that Foncesa is target One A whilst Silva is One B but that Fonseca is deffo the top target regardless.

Kinda tallies with things i heard around the time, confusing thing for me though is why Fonseca would be a top target now Silva is free (as you said Moshiri would 100% take him if he has the chance), so whats changed the dynamic/choice

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We spoke to Silva.

Not legally we didn’t.

As if he’d have turned us down like, he’d have doubled his money at least and taken on a much bigger club. It was obvious throughout that period that he wanted the gig, hence his evasive interviews etc. Watford blocked it, the end.

 

[Connor]

Kinda tallies with things i heard around the time, confusing thing for me though is why Fonseca would be a top target now Silva is free (as you said Moshiri would 100% take him if he has the chance), so whats changed the dynamic/choice

I was told he's impressed with his Champions League run and everyone whose spoken about him at a high-level within clubs only speaks highly of him.

Silva is fielding offers whilst waiting to see what comes up in the league this summer - i.e. who gets sacked - and I think that lack of, solely wanting our job per say, has bumped him down a smidge.

Not legally we didn’t.

As if he’d have turned us down like, he’d have doubled his money at least and taken on a much bigger club. It was obvious throughout that period that he wanted the gig, hence his evasive interviews etc. Watford blocked it, the end.

Legally or not, we still spoke to him on the basis that we believed we were going to have our offer of 22-million-plus accepted.

That is commonplace in football. Happens with every deal. You bid, you 'illegally' speak to the player/agent, you agree terms, you finalise your offer to the selling club and then you purchase the player.

 

[Brisan123]

and Liverpool never had permission to speak to VVD until it got out that him and Klopp where seen on the Big Wheel together sharing Candy Floss.

They both have Mendez as an agent, near enough a certainty that we spoke to each mate, where we physically in a room together - likely no, but doesn't matter much really.

I heard that on that tinternet thingy you can talk to lads without ever meeting them

 

[Brisan123]

I was told he's impressed with his Champions League run and everyone whose spoken about him at a high-level within clubs only speaks highly of him.

Silva is fielding offers whilst waiting to see what comes up in the league this summer - i.e. who gets sacked - and I think that lack of, solely wanting our job per say, has bumped him down a smidge.



Legally or not, we still spoke to him on the basis that we believed we were going to have our offer of 22-million-plus accepted.

That is commonplace in football. Happens with every deal. You bid, you 'illegally' speak to the player/agent, you agree terms, you finalise your offer to the selling club and then you purchase the player.

I would say you talk to your target or his agent first to see if he’s interested , then ballpark wages and conditions
Then you make a bid , they refuse , you up your bid , they accept , you fill in the blanks on the contract and it’s done ( a player needs a medical obviously)

 

[bluestevon]

I was told he's impressed with his Champions League run and everyone whose spoken about him at a high-level within clubs only speaks highly of him.

Silva is fielding offers whilst waiting to see what comes up in the league this summer - i.e. who gets sacked - and I think that lack of, solely wanting our job per say, has bumped him down a smidge.



Legally or not, we still spoke to him on the basis that we believed we were going to have our offer of 22-million-plus accepted.

That is commonplace in football. Happens with every deal. You bid, you 'illegally' speak to the player/agent, you agree terms, you finalise your offer to the selling club and then you purchase the player.

Rather have Fonseca given the choice myself, Silva - still like him.

Overall think Moshiri can be very easily swung one way or the other based on flavour of the month/whose latest fan boy in the media mind you, which isn't exactly a great quality to have in a steady owner.