Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
I totally agree, I'd be amazed too. I concede we need someone to stop the rot immediately, but what then? Bobbing around in mid table for a few years? It's certainly a dilemma.
What a mess this all is.
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What a mess this all is.
So looking at Facebook, people are dead against a man with no top flight managerial experience in Giggs, but in the same breath are advocating Unsworth because he "gets it" and has done a boss job with the youth teams.
Superb.
Superb.
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
It doesn't get any easier to watch does it?Is this the kind of thing you want going on in the dugout?
onlyme
Player Valuation: £10m
I have no idea if he's showing the right attributes to help Unsworth take temporary control. You however appear to know from your reaction that he doesn't, please share your knowledge.
davids
Player Valuation: £60m
You'd be surprised how many players sign for the club offering the best contract.
Mutzo Nutzo
Player Valuation: £70m
Need funes Mori to have a word. Gallardo managed him at river
onlyme
Player Valuation: £10m
Unsworth won a P.L.2 title, what has Giggs won, oh apart from 2's up on is brothers wife ?
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
A Lamborghini of management.
What I don't want is someone being given a multi year project as it clearly doesn't work.
Martinez was 3 years into his 5 years plan and Koeman just over 1 into his 3. Even if the circumstances were reversed and they were a roaring success then they would have probably been poached anyway.
I want someone who can sort this mess NOW as we don't have bad players. We've wasted over 4 years now since Moyes left, now is the time for a manager who can hit the ground running.
Martinez was 3 years into his 5 years plan and Koeman just over 1 into his 3. Even if the circumstances were reversed and they were a roaring success then they would have probably been poached anyway.
I want someone who can sort this mess NOW as we don't have bad players. We've wasted over 4 years now since Moyes left, now is the time for a manager who can hit the ground running.
The captains of industry and cultural rainmakers who form the usual cast of a weekly-newspaper feature titled “Lunch with the FT” tend to use the opportunity to make a public demonstration of their ascetic personal habits. A small salad and a bottle of sparkling water is usually enough to make the point about what disciplined lives they lead.
Not Carlo Ancelotti.
When the man who has won the European Cup twice as a player and the Champions League three times as a manager sat down with an FT journalist last week at a favourite Italian restaurant in Mayfair, he began by ordering an £82 bottle of Guidalberto, a red wine from Tuscany. “I don’t need to try it,” he told the waiter. “I know this wine.”
The contents of the bottle disappeared, along with a selection of starters and a double order of lobster with tagliolini. “You like grappa?” Ancelotti asked the journalist, who prepared to honour the FT’s custom by paying the bill with a twinge of anxiety when it came to a few pennies short of £250. He got out his card, only to discover that Ancelotti had already come to an arrangement with the proprietor. No fuss.
“At Ancelotti’s home, you always eat well,” Adriano Galliani says. The long-serving general manager of Milan, Galliani was the buffer between Silvio Berlusconi and Ancelotti during the latter’s eight years as the team manager, from 2001 to 2009 (quite a feat, given that in the past 20 years Berlusconi has hired and fired 13 managers, not counting caretakers).
Galliani is one of the witnesses whose testimony appears in Quiet Leadership, Ancelotti’s new volume of semi-autobiography. Co-authored with the management studies expert Chris Brody and the former Chelsea director of football operations Mike Forde, it is probably intended to be racked in the business studies shelves at airport bookshops. But – like its predecessor, published just as Ancelotti joined Chelsea in 2009 – it is also a treasury of anecdote and insight.
Everyone likes the man who is about to take over at Bayern Munich, which is why the book’s other voices include Cristiano Ronaldo, Alex Ferguson, Paolo Maldini, John Terry, Alessandro Nesta and David Beckham. They all have affectionate things to say about him as a man – his personal warmth, his tactical flexibility, his humour, his tendency to lapse into Italian on the rare occasions when he loses his temper in the dressing room – but their stories, and his, create a picture of one way of managing a football team: a rational approach to the job of running a team amid the climate of insanity found at the top of the European club football pyramid.
At Real Madrid, Chelsea or Paris Saint-Germain, however, rationality is generally in short supply. There is nothing he would love more than to recreate the sense of family he enjoyed with Milan, involving himself in a long-term project, but age and experience have given him a philosophical attitude to the whims of owners such as Roman Abramovich, presidents such as Florentino Pérez and directors of football such as Leonardo, an erstwhile friend by whom he feels betrayed.
At Chelsea he was impressed by the requirement to attend 10 meetings to discuss his ideas before being offered the job. He won the Double straight away but in his second season, he writes: “I saw the end coming months before it did, just as I would later at Madrid. He [Abramovich] would try to convince me, with all my experience to the contrary, to be stronger, tougher and more rigorous with the players. I’ve heard it before and I’ve heard it since, but he was wrong – they are all wrong. What they hire me for is to calm the situation at a club by building relationships with the players. At some later stage that is not the approach they want any more and the relationship with the owners – not the players, but the owners – begins to worsen. They hire me to be kind and calm with the players and then at the first sign of trouble along the way that’s the very characteristic they point to as the problem.”
Those who think of him as soft might come away from the book seeing virtue in a willingness to listen to the thoughts of others and to step back when necessary. He lets Terry take on the job of persuading Didier Drogba to stop diving and exaggerating injuries, knowing that the lesson in English football etiquette would come more powerfully from an English player. He describes consulting Andrea Pirlo on the radical positional shift that turned a very good player into a great one.
He is impressed when Beckham, before making a deal with Berlusconi and Galliani for a loan period with Milan, calls him up first. “He is smart enough to know that, with his profile, it could be that he is being pressed on to a manager for reasons other than football. So he contacted me directly and asked if I wanted him to come to Milan. I told him ‘Yes’. We trusted each other to speak the truth.”
He is, nevertheless, a pragmatist. “If Berlusconi wants to come to the dressing room to tell his jokes,” he writes, “I have to understand that it is his dressing room.” When Ronaldo indicates that he does not want to play alongside another striker in a 4-4-2 formation, Ancelotti thinks to himself: “Who am I to argue? How can I change the position of a player who scores 60 goals a season? So I had to find a solution.”
If he moves to a club that does not want him to bring his own support staff, he simply adapts. “Bringing in tried and trusted lieutenants sounds sensible,” he writes, “but presumably they were also at your side when you were sacked from your previous job.” I laughed at that, and thought of the newspaper pictures of Rui Faria at José Mourinho’s side this week, while the Portuguese provocateur’s negotiations with Manchester United were going on.
Ferguson writes that he tried to persuade Ancelotti to succeed him. “It didn’t quite work out,” he says. “Another time, maybe.” That’s an interesting remark which might even turn out to be prophetic, given that Ancelotti has some experience of putting out Mourinho’s fires.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who has played for and admires them both, and who currently appears certain to start next season in United’s colours, makes an interesting comparison between the Italian and the Portuguese. “José Mourinho knows how to treat a footballer,” he says, “but Carlo knows how to treat a person.” He also pays the bill.
Not Carlo Ancelotti.
When the man who has won the European Cup twice as a player and the Champions League three times as a manager sat down with an FT journalist last week at a favourite Italian restaurant in Mayfair, he began by ordering an £82 bottle of Guidalberto, a red wine from Tuscany. “I don’t need to try it,” he told the waiter. “I know this wine.”
The contents of the bottle disappeared, along with a selection of starters and a double order of lobster with tagliolini. “You like grappa?” Ancelotti asked the journalist, who prepared to honour the FT’s custom by paying the bill with a twinge of anxiety when it came to a few pennies short of £250. He got out his card, only to discover that Ancelotti had already come to an arrangement with the proprietor. No fuss.
“At Ancelotti’s home, you always eat well,” Adriano Galliani says. The long-serving general manager of Milan, Galliani was the buffer between Silvio Berlusconi and Ancelotti during the latter’s eight years as the team manager, from 2001 to 2009 (quite a feat, given that in the past 20 years Berlusconi has hired and fired 13 managers, not counting caretakers).
Galliani is one of the witnesses whose testimony appears in Quiet Leadership, Ancelotti’s new volume of semi-autobiography. Co-authored with the management studies expert Chris Brody and the former Chelsea director of football operations Mike Forde, it is probably intended to be racked in the business studies shelves at airport bookshops. But – like its predecessor, published just as Ancelotti joined Chelsea in 2009 – it is also a treasury of anecdote and insight.
Everyone likes the man who is about to take over at Bayern Munich, which is why the book’s other voices include Cristiano Ronaldo, Alex Ferguson, Paolo Maldini, John Terry, Alessandro Nesta and David Beckham. They all have affectionate things to say about him as a man – his personal warmth, his tactical flexibility, his humour, his tendency to lapse into Italian on the rare occasions when he loses his temper in the dressing room – but their stories, and his, create a picture of one way of managing a football team: a rational approach to the job of running a team amid the climate of insanity found at the top of the European club football pyramid.
At Real Madrid, Chelsea or Paris Saint-Germain, however, rationality is generally in short supply. There is nothing he would love more than to recreate the sense of family he enjoyed with Milan, involving himself in a long-term project, but age and experience have given him a philosophical attitude to the whims of owners such as Roman Abramovich, presidents such as Florentino Pérez and directors of football such as Leonardo, an erstwhile friend by whom he feels betrayed.
At Chelsea he was impressed by the requirement to attend 10 meetings to discuss his ideas before being offered the job. He won the Double straight away but in his second season, he writes: “I saw the end coming months before it did, just as I would later at Madrid. He [Abramovich] would try to convince me, with all my experience to the contrary, to be stronger, tougher and more rigorous with the players. I’ve heard it before and I’ve heard it since, but he was wrong – they are all wrong. What they hire me for is to calm the situation at a club by building relationships with the players. At some later stage that is not the approach they want any more and the relationship with the owners – not the players, but the owners – begins to worsen. They hire me to be kind and calm with the players and then at the first sign of trouble along the way that’s the very characteristic they point to as the problem.”
Those who think of him as soft might come away from the book seeing virtue in a willingness to listen to the thoughts of others and to step back when necessary. He lets Terry take on the job of persuading Didier Drogba to stop diving and exaggerating injuries, knowing that the lesson in English football etiquette would come more powerfully from an English player. He describes consulting Andrea Pirlo on the radical positional shift that turned a very good player into a great one.
He is impressed when Beckham, before making a deal with Berlusconi and Galliani for a loan period with Milan, calls him up first. “He is smart enough to know that, with his profile, it could be that he is being pressed on to a manager for reasons other than football. So he contacted me directly and asked if I wanted him to come to Milan. I told him ‘Yes’. We trusted each other to speak the truth.”
He is, nevertheless, a pragmatist. “If Berlusconi wants to come to the dressing room to tell his jokes,” he writes, “I have to understand that it is his dressing room.” When Ronaldo indicates that he does not want to play alongside another striker in a 4-4-2 formation, Ancelotti thinks to himself: “Who am I to argue? How can I change the position of a player who scores 60 goals a season? So I had to find a solution.”
If he moves to a club that does not want him to bring his own support staff, he simply adapts. “Bringing in tried and trusted lieutenants sounds sensible,” he writes, “but presumably they were also at your side when you were sacked from your previous job.” I laughed at that, and thought of the newspaper pictures of Rui Faria at José Mourinho’s side this week, while the Portuguese provocateur’s negotiations with Manchester United were going on.
Ferguson writes that he tried to persuade Ancelotti to succeed him. “It didn’t quite work out,” he says. “Another time, maybe.” That’s an interesting remark which might even turn out to be prophetic, given that Ancelotti has some experience of putting out Mourinho’s fires.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who has played for and admires them both, and who currently appears certain to start next season in United’s colours, makes an interesting comparison between the Italian and the Portuguese. “José Mourinho knows how to treat a footballer,” he says, “but Carlo knows how to treat a person.” He also pays the bill.
Geoff Nulty
Player Valuation: £750k
I think we also need to ask ourselves what kind of club we are now and what we're aiming for. If we're going to break into the top four and start winning trophies, it'll be through savvy, shrewdness, desire, a sense of identity, canniness, huge ambition, self-belief, and heart, so we need a manager who has those qualities, who drives through obstacles when he sees them. We need someone who can revitalise the careers of players who were once hugely promising (as Moyes did with Arteta and Piennaar) as well as put faith in the promising young players we have at the club already. We need someone with ambition, who believes he can fulfil his ambitions at Everton. We shouldn't start with names, but with qualities, and then find the names that fit.
Gladystweet
Player Valuation: £50m
@Mikey_Fitzgerald what have you got to say about this outrageous filthery?Is this the kind of thing you want going on in the dugout?
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