Next Everton Manager

[Yarrgh]

Rodgers (when CL games over)

I might go on a kill spree if this happens.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I really want Tuchel (well Simeone but that seems like more of a pipe dream)... the issue I seem to be having is why it would be taking so long to appoint a manager which is out of contract, or in interim charge - if they really wanted them?

Ignoring the betting lines as they change daily and panic ensues, there needs to be a clear comms from the club in what we are doing, looking for and how we are moving forward with it. wink wink Social Manager @ EFC, make it so.






Unless, its really taking so long because we are negotiating with Ath Madrid on a package to release our Diego.......................

Not ITK or anything, but I feel that the problem with Tuchel may well be him holding out to see what happens at Bayern. I believe the club will have approached him (would hope so anyway as I think he fits the bill completely) and I believe he will have shown interest but would want to wait until the summer.

Whilst no proud Evertonian likes to be considered second best, I could forgive the guy in this instance given the guy is German and we're talking Bayern Munich.

 

[jceverton]

The man management thing is just a personality thing with him, he is what he is, and I'm not sure he'll change in that respect. I think it's more of a problem when a coach joins an already solid, united and established team as he did with dortmund, so he rubbed a lot of players up the wrong way as it may be. But it'd actually be more of a positive joining a club that probably needs a bit of a collective kick up the arse and some egos trimmed. (no offense).

Cheers, do you think he actually works better with younger players then? In Everton's case I think this is important given the number of good young players we have.

 

[matty1878]

Nobody has a clue, not even the so called ITKs. I do know for a fact that the journos haven't got a clue. There are two scenarios being played out here. We are either in negotiations with a top manager or our board are sitting round smoking weed whilst watching re-runs of Dads Army.

Deffo this matey!

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Not ITK or anything, but I feel that the problem with Tuchel may well be him holding out to see what happens at Bayern. I believe the club will have approached him (would hope so anyway as I think he fits the bill completely) and I believe he will have shown interest but would want to wait until the summer.

Whilst no proud Evertonian likes to be considered second best, I could forgive the guy in this instance given the guy is German and we're talking Bayern Munich.

See, I agree with you, if he has a chance of Bayern I understand the hold up on his part...

The only issue I have with this train of thought is that they have put an interim manager in place while he is available... I think they are waiting for the Hoffenheim manager personally, and if he flops this season Tuchel could be back up. I don't see any reason (that I know of I might be wrong mate) for them to wait for Tuchel.

 

[Kenshin]

you being serious?

Yes?

We take weeks to appoint a manager and then give the one covering the job anyway? Fine for a week or two but not this long. Looks like we have been knocked back by every manager we have approached , combined with media simeone stories? You tell me that isn't a joke if it was any other club?

It's not like league form is anything to fall back on

 

[CrustySack]

Deffo this matey!

Pizza hut have just had an order for 17 meat feast pizzas for Goodison Park. Make of that what you will.

 

[jceverton]

As I see things at the moment the club has 3 options.

1) Appoint somebody long term who we think is able to take the club forward.
2) Appoint somebody until the end of the season with a specific task to keep the club in the Premier.
3) Continue with Unsworth in the role of caretaker manager until they decide on 1 or 2 above.

After what has turned out to be 2 poor choices, I think it is imperative that the board get the right man/men this time to look after the long term interests of Everton. That may also include a new DOF. I think everybody will agree that this has to be our main objective if possible. However, that man/men may not be available at the moment for whatever reason, in which case we need to wait until he is available. This is far from ideal but better than making another wrong choice.

We then have to consider the short term. We can only appoint somebody new if they are currently available, and there is probably a very short list to work from. The new manager (unless Unsworth is given this role) would need to come in and get used to the club and players, and it will probably take months rather than weeks before they start having a noticeable effect. Even then there's at least a 50/50 chance that this could backfire. Unless we can bring in somebody short term of the standing of Ancelotti, I personally see this as a non-starter.

So that leaves us with Unsworth continuing on a temporary basis. I was originally in favour of giving Unsy a chance, but let's be honest he hasn't exactly covered himself in glory so far, which is why I wouldn't confirm him for the rest of the season at this stage. In his favour he knows the club and staff and players. Plus the younger players will have a tremendous amount of respect for him too. It will also be harsh to judge him too severely on his performance so far as he's had a pretty difficult set of games, and hardly any time to work on the players in training with games coming thick and fast. However his team selections and tactics have confused most of us and we seem to have to give up a goal or two before we start playing. Plus I have no idea what has been happening as regards Vlasic, who has been one of the very few positives so far this season.

If the board are unable to bring in the right manager to take us forward as this stage, then I believe the better of two poor options is to run with Unsworth on a caretaker basis, rather than bring in the likes of Allardyce. I have to hope that he will learn from mistakes made so far and that work on the training ground will shore up the defence so we stop conceding cheap goals. I also believe that there is enough quality AND endeavour in the squad, to go on a decent run over the next 8 games where we play 7 teams who are in the bottom 11. I wouldn't be surprised if we were 7/8th by the end of the year and maybe 10 points clear of the relegation places.

In the ideal world we would be able to bring in a manager like Tuchel, or, somebody of his ilk, who will be able to develop the fantastic crop of young players we have at our disposal. Pending this I would rather we run with Unsworth on an ad hoc basis. At least then, if there isn't a turnaround in results (which I don't expect) we can react accordingly.

Good summary mate, I agree with most of that. I generally don't think there's any good options for a long term manager at the minute. In these circumstances I'd stick with Unsworth for next 4 league games & 2 Europa. If he does okay then I'd keep him until the end of the season and sort out situation then.

 

[Kenshin]

Guus Hidinck into 14/1 must be a goer eh lads.

Gary Rowett backed right in to 28/1.

Unsworth now drifting.

Bookies never wrong like

He was favourite yesterday! Haha

If everyone on this board put a tenner on pep guadiola to be our manager then I'd enjoy the bookies favourite stories for just a little bit

 

[Gareth Gibson]

Appointing unsworth a massive mistake.

4 games experience and running the kids isn't enough to get the top job.

If we appoint him, it says everything about the ambition of this club.

Absolutely stupid.

But hasn't he earned a shot at the top job in the four matches he's been in charge?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I was eager to see Unsworth given a chance but he's failed his audition miserably. The obvious first step was to stop shiping goals by making the team a strong defensive unit.
Instead we conceeded 2 to Chelsea reserves. 2 to fellow strugglers Leicester being torn open due to a naieve set up. 3 to Lyon and, despite a brilliant comeback, 2 goals and a penalty at home to Watford.
Appointing Unsworth until season end would be the most reckless boardroom decision I've seen in my life as an Evertonian.

I don't know. I've seen worse in my time mate. But you are right, it would be a poor decision. But TBH, I think unless we can bring in somebody of the standing of Ancelotti, it would be a mistake to bring in anybody until the end of the season at this moment as there's every chance it would backfire.

If we don't feel able to appoint somebody long term now, which does appear to be the case for whatever reason, I would prefer to continue to run with Unsworth on a caretaker manager basis for the time being. I know a lot of his decisions and team choices have been at best naïve, but in his defence it was a difficult group of matches and he has had very little time to work with the players in the training ground. We have an "easier" set of 8 league games coming up and I think he should be given an opportunity to carry on and see if he can turn it around. We can forget the EL now and concentrate on sorting out our defensive errors on the training ground. Somebody new comes in and before you know it that easier run of games has gone before the new guy has even settled in. We could be in an even worse position.

I personally think we could well be in the top 8 by the end of the year and maybe 10 points clear of the relegation places. If so, consideration could then be given to appointing Unsworth until the end of the season, but certainly not before.

 

[Borussin]

Cheers, do you think he actually works better with younger players then? In Everton's case I think this is important given the number of good young players we have.

He was U19 coach at Mainz for 1 season, and I think aslo he was coach for Augsburg second team too before, so like a lot of coaches in Germany he did come through that sort of system where you start out with getting experience with youth and 2nd teams.

At Dortmund, all coaches there have to be willing to work with young players as Dortmund do put an empashis on building through purchasing younger players, so it is quite a youthful squad. It was a bit of a mixed bag with him there and the young players. Of course Dembele played a lot and he showed a lot of trust in him. Weigl played a lot too for him, 2 really outstanding young players. A couple of the other youngsters didn't really work so well with him, Mikel Merino (now at Newcastle) wasn't so happy with how it went for him under TT, feeling he didn't show any confidence in him as a player.

My feeling is, that if the younger players available are talented and better than senior players in the same position - he is not afraid of using them. Age wouldn't be a big factor.

 

[Who's_up_for_cumpkins?]

The board need to get off their arses now and make some decision. Almost one week gone of the international break. If the dream appointments are not available till summer, and they can't bring themselves to get Allardyce they need to just come out and say we'll leave unsworth in and review before Jan transfer window. Big game coming up at Palace a chance to put some breathing space between us and the bottom 3. Starting to become unacceptable this indecisiveness.

 

[devo85]

A possible scenario.

Maybe we have approached Silva through his reps and he is eager but not willing to abandon his club midway through a season, which speaks well for his character if true.

This then leaves the board with the option of finding someone until the end of the season. They have probably been spooked a little by Unsy's form and selections, fat Sam wants a long term deal. This is why it is taking longer than expected as they consider their options with people like Hiddink coming into the picture.

 

[Efcjake]

But hasn't he earned a shot at the top job in the four matches he's been in charge?

No