Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think theres going to be a twist- someone not in the running and then BOOM!

David Unsworth is our new manager/

Well that Norwich game was a pretty decent job interview to be fair

 

[Nymzee]

Main two reasons I voted De Boer (I like anyone other than Pellegrini mind) are:

1. Can nurture youth whilst possibly bringing with him some cut price Ajax youth players.

2. If he brought Bergkamp, Stam & Overmars with him... astute. All players who know the league and I'm sure our players could learn a thing or two from them.

 

[Saint Domingo]

How many years would we get out of him though at this point in his career?

If we get, say, 3 years from Koeman because he takes the Barca job or 3 years from Pellegrini because he wants to retire, does it make much of a difference?

I see your point, but we could have one successful year with Koeman and if Enrique suddenly went, or more likely Danny Blind stepped down, he'd be on a shortlist for both jobs (probably favourite for the Dutch national team in a World Cup cycle). Even if Pellwgrini did retire, the message is very different, he's not a manager seeing us a stepping stone. What message does it send to players if they know their manager might go as soon as a better offer comes up?

 

[Ashtonian]

As you've just mentioned Liverpool, anyone else think it's ironic that many reds accuse us of being "obsessed" with them, when you take a glance at RAWK and see a 578 page thread titled " The Everton Topic"?

A Google search also sees many other Everton threads in the past that have long since been locked.

The video was actually labelled dominating display or something, which made me laugh a little bit. Hardly dominating us in the clip when not a single defender is moving at all to even try and win the ball back. A tad bit delusional, even if they have right to gloat at the game.

 

[neil999]

Well that Norwich game was a pretty decent job interview to be fair

thought he came across v well in press conf and post match interview as well, still be big risk tho

 

[Ashtonian]

Main two reasons I voted De Boer (I like anyone other than Pellegrini mind) are:

1. Can nurture youth whilst possibly bringing with him some cut price Ajax youth players.

2. If he brought Bergkamp, Stam & Overmars with him... astute. All players who know the league and I'm sure our players could learn a thing or two from them.

Thst is my only concern with De Boer. Him bringing his staff is going to have a positive influence on the club sure, but as a manager he hasn't done anything of note on his own merit. So him hiring a new coaching staff might not be as successful.

But saying that, he is a little bit of a unknown commodity considering how little he invested into his team and relied on youth rather than signings. For all we know he could have a good eye for a player and is successful on that front.

Either way im personally not holding anything against him if he were to become e our new manager until 3 years down the line

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I see your point, but we could have one successful year with Koeman and if Enrique suddenly went, or more likely Danny Blind stepped down, he'd be on a shortlist for both jobs (probably favourite for the Dutch national team in a World Cup cycle). Even if Pellwgrini did retire, the message is very different, he's not a manager seeing us a stepping stone. What message does it send to players if they know their manager might go as soon as a better offer comes up?

Every team that isn't Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich is a stepping stone these days mate

Shame, but that's the cold hard truth

Moshiri's money won't change that

We'd just have to make sure we got a decent compo package if Koeman decided to fly the nest, were he to be the new manager

I still don't think he'll leave Southampton to be honest

The more I think about it, it'll be Pellegrini or De Boer

 

[bluestevon]

...I'm not totally convinced by the 'has to work harder' point re Deulofeu. He's primarily an offensive winger who gives us the creativity not many others can. Sure he has to put in a shift but we have industrious wide players in Lennon and Cleverley, it's really important we don't negate Deulofeu's strengths. I feel we are a better team when he plays.

Never known any player to not improve by working harder and by improving their fitness - both of which it's painfully obviouis that deulofeu needs to do, natural talent will only ever vget a person so far - and right now being a half season player seems to be the level his talent has gotten him to mate, works hard and listens to a coach with a record of turning mercurial players into a lot more than just potential then the sky could be the limit for him

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

thought he came across v well in press conf and post match interview as well, still be big risk tho

Yeah, he wouldn't be my first choice, if only because he's doing a good job already in his current role

He'd probably struggle to attract name players at first as well

 

[bluestevon]

I am going to keep saying this but it is absolutely critical that whoever comes in must be complemented by a top class good assistant manager.
When I say top class AM, I mean someone who not only knows the EPL inside out but commands the respect of the international Top class managers and Euro/UK players. It has to be someone who is superb tactician and not afraid to tell the manger and the players when things are not working and offer smart and quick solutions.

IMHO, the biggest weakness with many of the managers on the list is that they can over time stick to a stubborn philosophy and have allowed things to go stale because they don,t have that top class assistant manager to advise them when they need to adapt.

Unssy nor Stubbs who I like both a lot are not the calibre of assistant managers I am thinking of to support the new manager post.

Bit of a stretch i know, checked out Emery's agent - only has a small client list tbf, one of them is Arteta though, rumoured heavily he wants to go into a coaching role/asistant manager etc, has ties with our club as we well know, Basque like Emery - both started at Sociedad, and would help in bridging any language difficulties...

As i said a bit of a stretch but not the worst idea if Emery was the man we want

 

[Milkman]

I think you hit the nail on the head. That is what Martinez was aiming for however the problem with Martinez is that it was a pale imitation. De Boer learnt it from both the people who created it just like Guardiola. He's not a cheap knockoff that at first looks like the real deal but in a short time you start seeing the horrible flaws until the whole thing comes apart.

I've no doubt that de Boer's approach would be superior to the Pep-lite guff that Bobby churned out. I just don't think that style of football works in the Premier League – as Guardiola might find out too. As nice as it is when done well, it's too meticulous and methodical to play up to English crowds.

The atmosphere at Goodison thrives on momentum, whether it's a bad refereeing decision or a solid tackle, we need a manager that goes off script, who sees that winning matches in the PL is less about skill than it is about application.

MOYES IN.

(joke)

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Well that Norwich game was a pretty decent job interview to be fair

But for an interview, Norwich didn't manage to ask any searching questions.

 

[Nymzee]

Thst is my only concern with De Boer. Him bringing his staff is going to have a positive influence on the club sure, but as a manager he hasn't done anything of note on his own merit. So him hiring a new coaching staff might not be as successful.

But saying that, he is a little bit of a unknown commodity considering how little he invested into his team and relied on youth rather than signings. For all we know he could have a good eye for a player and is successful on that front.

Either way im personally not holding anything against him if he were to become e our new manager until 3 years down the line

I'm more excited at the thought of him than I was about Martinez because he's at least won the league a few times (Dutch or not it's still a league to be won). If he came in it could be a train wreck who knows but I like to see managers work closely with our academy which Martinez was good at and is why I'm not fussed Mourinho has gone now. I just want someone appointed soon now whomever it may be.

 

[JJK]

People seem to want de Boer for his back room staff rather than him himself. If he comes, stam and bergkamp wont be joining him.

 

[Ashtonian]

I'm more excited at the thought of him than I was about Martinez because he's at least won the league a few times (Dutch or not it's still a league to be won). If he came in it could be a train wreck who knows but I like to see managers work closely with our academy which Martinez was good at and is why I'm not fussed Mourinho has gone now. I just want someone appointed soon now whomever it may be.

There is only 4 managers I personally don't want. Moyes, Rodgers, mancini, benitez.

So anyone else Im happy to get behind and be optimistic. Even Martin o Neil knows how to win a trophy lol