Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[catcherintherye]

Pellegrini in 13/14 played some of the best attacking football I've seen in the prem, up there with anything Ferguson or Wenger has produced. First half of that season they were sensational blowing teams away. Then, under huge pressure they held their nerve and won 5 on the spin to win the league. Playmakers like Silva Toure Nasri with overlapping full backs, they were a joy to watch. Even in that game at Anfield which his critics like to bring up, they wiped the floor with a very good Liverpool team for the majority of the game. Even as late as the start of this season City were beating the champions Chelsea with ease. It's perfectly understandable to see that injuries, focus on the champions league, key players losing form, and of course the announcement that he was going, derailed their league season. Ultimately he lost Silva De Bruyne and Toure for a whole chunk of the second half of the season. Where might they have finished if they had remained fit? I think he would be a fantastic manager for us, he would deliver a great brand of football, represent the club fantastically, be loyal (doubtful at his age he'd be using us as a stepping stone which Koeman or De Boer might for Barca) and deliver trophies as well as performing well in Europe.

I was in the Jose camp, but once that ship sailed I think Pellegrini is the stand out choice followed by Emery. Experience wise, stature in the game, brand of football, he is a level above De Boer and Koeman.

Particularly with De Boer but also with Koeman that is simply not true, when you look at what both have won as players and managers they are streets ahead of Pellegrini.

De Boer with the biggest budget in Holland never finished outside of the top 2 and won 4 leagues in a row. Pellegrini with the biggest budget in the league has won the league once in 3 seasons and leaves a side 4th two places above Southampton.

They have at times played some fantastic football. I think that's largely down to the quality of players he has inherited (Aguero, Silva, Toure). Defensively they have always looked a soft touch and in spite of spending close to 100 million of defenders they have never looked right when Kompany is injured.

Pellegrini would be massively out of his depth here and would be a terrible fit. He relies on managing world class players which we do not have. Koeman and De Boer are able to develop younger players and make them better.

 

[Hong Kong Phooey]

We have a 5810 page thread about them on here.

Serious? Oh well that didn't go as planned..

 

[Goodison Groaner]

We have a 5810 page thread about them on here.

Don't understand why modern football fans are so obsessed with not appearing to be obsessed with our local and traditional football rivals. Its part of what it is to support Everton, to dislike Liverpool. Nothing wrong with that as long as Everton always come first. I enjoyed Wednesday night and I'm not ashamed to admit it. They feel exactly the same about us, at least the ones that live on Merseyside do.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Concerning
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/pellegrini-in-talks-with-everton.322259/

I found this one interesting..

"Wish him well. He loved the club and it was hardly his fault that he was always had the Pep situation to contend with
As for him being a defensive liability I think he may prove a few people wrong. His brief at City was to fulfill the owner's wishes to win trophies playing attacking football but he was more balanced at Villareal and Malaga IIRC.
Finally, would we have signed Brahim from Malaga if not for him?"

 

[hetion]

Don't understand why modern football fans are so obsessed with not appearing to be obsessed with our local and traditional football rivals. Its part of what it is to support Everton, to dislike Liverpool. Nothing wrong with that as long as Everton always come first. I enjoyed Wednesday night and I'm not ashamed to admit it. They feel exactly the same about us, at least the ones that live on Merseyside do.

One of the funniest things on the internet is watching fans desperately try to appear like they care less about their rivals than their rivals do about them. By definition, doing that makes you look like you care, so it's always fun to watch the denial.

 

[jonesl2]

Particularly with De Boer but also with Koeman that is simply not true, when you look at what both have won as players and managers they are streets ahead of Pellegrini.

De Boer with the biggest budget in Holland never finished outside of the top 2 and won 4 leagues in a row. Pellegrini with the biggest budget in the league has won the league once in 3 seasons and leaves a side 4th two places above Southampton.

They have at times played some fantastic football. I think that's largely down to the quality of players he has inherited (Aguero, Silva, Toure). Defensively they have always looked a soft touch and in spite of spending close to 100 million of defenders they have never looked right when Kompany is injured.

Pellegrini would be massively out of his depth here and would be a terrible fit. He relies on managing world class players which we do not have. Koeman and De Boer are able to develop younger players and make them better.

I'm by no means pro pellegrini but this review of him is flawed. You are saying de boer is better because like pellegrini he has the biggest budget(Man U have spent more in the past 2 seasons) but has finished top 2 and man city only managed 4th. Finishing top 2 in the Dutch league is considerably less that a feat than finishing top 2 in the premiership. He also doesn't just know how to manage world class players, before city he managed Malaga and Villarreal and did a brilliant job. I'm still on the fence with him and would prefer emery but he is by no means the failure you are portraying him as.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm by no means pro pellegrini but this review of him is flawed. You are saying de boer is better because like pellegrini he has the biggest budget(Man U have spent more in the past 2 seasons) but has finished top 2 and man city only managed 4th. Finishing top 2 in the Dutch league is considerably less that a feat than finishing top 2 in the premiership. He also doesn't just know how to manage world class players, before city he managed Malaga and Villarreal and did a brilliant job. I'm still on the fence with him and would prefer emery but he is by no means the failure you are portraying him as.

He's by no means a failure however his time at City has been mainly failings. One champions league semi in 3 years is poor. Finishing level on points with an awful United team likewise. I do not think this is a better achievement than being with 2 points of PSV (who knocked United out the champions league lest we forget).

His time at Malaga and particularly Villareal was very good. However he was a much younger man then and it was a long time ago. His style of football hasn't really worked in England.

I am not trying to portray him as a failure but his record over the last 6 years at top clubs is worse than De Boers. I think he is the wrong type of coach for what we need.

 

[mutley]

Pellegrini has a billion pound squad and he still nearly [Poor language removed] up even 4th place, no thanks.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Pellegrini is boss manager. If Moshiri thinks he's the man Im happy with it and will back Charming Man 100%

 

[Nymzee]

Since Moshiri is still only at 49.9% will he actually get the final say on the manager or will it be like a group decision?

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Since Moshiri is still only at 49.9% will he actually get the final say on the manager or will it be like a group decision?

he's the one deciding who the manager is.

 

[ijjysmith]

Since Moshiri is still only at 49.9% will he actually get the final say on the manager or will it be like a group decision?

In my head, he has more shares than any single other person so yes.

But I couldn't easily be wrong on that.

 

[zzebra]

I found this one interesting..

"Wish him well. He loved the club and it was hardly his fault that he was always had the Pep situation to contend with
As for him being a defensive liability I think he may prove a few people wrong. His brief at City was to fulfill the owner's wishes to win trophies playing attacking football but he was more balanced at Villareal and Malaga IIRC.
Finally, would we have signed Brahim from Malaga if not for him?"

Yes interesting.I know he is a very popular person.

Although I'm (very)strongly in the Emery camp I can see Pellegrini making a lot of sense in our current situation.

Experienced,winner,good persona and well respected,knows the premiership etc.

But his biggest attribute is he lives in the North West and there will be very little upheaval for him and his family.

Even De Boer or Emery,relocating to a new country and rebuilding a new team in less than 10 weeks is certainly going to be challenging.

 

[Nymzee]

he's the one deciding who the manager is.

Is this ITK knowledge or just summoning? He's a very silent soon-to-be-owner so far.

 

[ijjysmith]

Is this ITK knowledge or just summoning? He's a very silent soon-to-be-owner so far.

How often do you hear from the owners of the other clubs?

West Ham and the dildo brothers aside of course.