Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[Cypher]

I think the most damning indictment of Pellegrini is that fact that in his last season, his players couldnt be arsed! That suggests to me that despite being a very nice man, he could not command the respect of the dressing room? So swapping one spanish speaking, incredibly affable, but ultimately incapable man manager for another makes no sense?

There's a reason why they call them lame ducks. I'm not a huge fan of Pellegrini but I think he managed City under difficult circumstances and was far from a disaster.

 

[Bluebonic]

Jose lost his players in the final year at Chelsea (twice). The position City have fallen to is one that Wenger has regularly finished in. Ancelloti lost his way at Chelsea. Every manager has those sorts of dips at some point. 4th and a trophy with a run to the CL semi final is no longer a bad season for any of the big clubs. This season alone in his supposed failure he has outperformed Mourino, Van Gaal, Klopp, Pochettino and Wenger. This was against a backdrop of player injuries and the announcement he was leaving. He is a very good manager with a proven record in domestic cups, the league, and in Europe. He's shown he can build teams and handle top players. Really surprised to see people turning their nose up at one of the prem's top managers.

I agree with all you have said except for the line about building teams! I dont think he built City in any way, shape or form? Whether he was responsible for the new signings i dont know? But even so, most of the players that came in during his tenure actually went backwards! When Sterling went there he was tearing defences apart, after half a season, he looked like a ghost of the player he was with the RS!

 

[catcherintherye]

De Boer didn't have the biggest budget in Holland. They consistently sold their best players and relied on youth and free/cheap transfers. PSV had a much bigger budget.

It's a very relevant point. The overall substance to my argument though is it is illogical to disregard De Boer for what he has done on the basis of having a big budget relative to the league yet hold up Pellegrini who has won a lot less in his leagues with a similar relative budget to his competitors.

De Boers record is better. However more importantly he is more suitable. He is younger, plays a style of football more suited to England and has shown a better ability to develop young players. I don't think he's necessarily a better manager (yet) but I do think he is far more suitable.

 

[Bluebonic]

There's a reason why they call them lame ducks. I'm not a huge fan of Pellegrini but I think he managed City under difficult circumstances and was far from a disaster.

I dont disagree with you mate, and i do think he has had a very, very good career! However, I dont think he has shown enough in the PL with the respurces he had available to him for him to be considered a favourite for the Everton job!

 

[Cypher]

It's a very relevant point. The overall substance to my argument though is it is illogical to disregard De Boer for what he has done on the basis of having a big budget relative to the league yet hold up Pellegrini who has won a lot less in his leagues with a similar relative budget to his competitors.

De Boers record is better. However more importantly he is more suitable. He is younger, plays a style of football more suited to England and has shown a better ability to develop young players. I don't think he's necessarily a better manager (yet) but I do think he is far more suitable.

De Boer is my man so I just wanted to correct the factual error. I think we need a manager who can continue on the work of Martinez and build the club from the ground up all the way from the youth ranks and be someone who will play them once they are ready. Even now I don't think we can compete with the very top clubs financially so for that reason De Boer is my man. We were on the right track with Martinez. He just wasn't the man to take us all the way.

 

[bitter-no-better]

How does the process work when we are looking to speak with a manager who is under contract with another club?. Do we have to approach the club or can we approach the manager/agent direct if he is in the final year of contract?.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I agree with all you have said except for the line about building teams! I dont think he built City in any way, shape or form? Whether he was responsible for the new signings i dont know? But even so, most of the players that came in during his tenure actually went backwards! When Sterling went there he was tearing defences apart, after half a season, he looked like a ghost of the player he was with the RS!

It was more his work at Villareal. That side we faced was a top team that he'd put together without huge money and went to the CL semi final a fantastic achievement. He then went to Malaga and built a side this time spending money. At City he showed he could take top players and implement his style of play. The one negative for me was that his buys at City weren't great (KDB aside). That said he's bought well at every other club he's been at.

 

[Eggs]

How does the process work when we are looking to speak with a manager who is under contract with another club?. Do we have to approach the club or can we approach the manager/agent direct if he is in the final year of contract?.

...good question, I would presume there is a protocol to go through re asking the current employers permission. It might be different if there's an advertised vacancy that folk are applying for.

 

[blue62]

He's by no means a failure however his time at City has been mainly failings. One champions league semi in 3 years is poor. Finishing level on points with an awful United team likewise. I do not think this is a better achievement than being with 2 points of PSV (who knocked United out the champions league lest we forget).

His time at Malaga and particularly Villareal was very good. However he was a much younger man then and it was a long time ago. His style of football hasn't really worked in England.

I am not trying to portray him as a failure but his record over the last 6 years at top clubs is worse than De Boers. I think he is the wrong type of coach for what we need.

How can you say he was a 'much younger man' at Malaga, it was only 3 years ago or do you work in dog years? He did brilliantly in Spain and was only given one season with Real because Barca pipped them after he'd amassed a record points tally. I don't think it's entirely fair to judge him on this season because of all the shenanigans, but it's worth noting that despite the fact he was undermined by the board, he still appears to have retained the support of his staff and players. I think he would be a great appointment for us.

 

[bcblue1878]

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this, we are in danger of losing control of the narrative. We shouldn't be publicly approaching people without knowing that it's all done. Why on earth would Emery come here if Koeman wouldn't, given the season he's just had? But he could very easily use us to screw a new contract out of Sevilla. If he does tell us to FO then Suddenly we are flailing around and people like Pellgrini who may have taken the job originally now tell us to get lost cos he's our fifth choice

Not sure you'll find anywhere an official Everton statement that they've approached any "people", it's the press and media speculating! They need to be put on ignore until you see "people" stood holding the scarf and shaking hands with Mr Moshiri, then you'll know it's all done!

 

[brieverton]

As regards Koeman he would have a very long road to travel before being considered for the Barca job. I know he is considered with fondness there but sentimentality won't come into their thinking. Many here are so-so about him, it's fine when you don't need a new coach but if Barca required one tomorrow, he wouldn't get a sniff.

If he took the job with us he would probably have to win the title or thereabouts before being considered. They will have many options when the time comes to consider replacing Luis Enrique. Arsenal might be a more realistic possibilty but he would have to win silverware / secure CL qualification first as a minimum.

On a general level, if he joins us and ultimately has greater ambitions, then fine by me. If he is in the mix for "bigger" jobs in 2-3 years time it will be because he has done well here.

 

[Coffee and TV]

In my head, he has more shares than any single other person so yes.

But I couldn't easily be wrong on that.

He has more shares than the rest of the board put together too

 

[Coffee and TV]

As regards Koeman he would have a very long road to travel before being considered for the Barca job. I know he is considered with fondness there but sentimentality won't come into their thinking. Many here are so-so about him, it's fine when you don't need a new coach but if Barca required one tomorrow, he wouldn't get a sniff.

If he took the job with us he would probably have to win the title or thereabouts before being considered. They will have many options when the time comes to consider replacing Luis Enrique. Arsenal might be a more realistic possibilty but he would have to win silverware / secure CL qualification first as a minimum.

On a general level, if he joins us and ultimately has greater ambitions, then fine by me. If he is in the mix for "bigger" jobs in 2-3 years time it will be because he has done well here.

Sometimes Barca don't seem to care that much about previous experience for their managers. Tito and Guardiola just got promoted straight from Barca B. Seems like if you came through their academy or even just played for them and are a manager you have a decent chance.

 

[ijjysmith]

He has more shares than the rest of the board put together too

How does that work when there's 50.1% of shares left?

 

[Coffee and TV]

How does that work when there's 50.1% of shares left?

About 16% of them belong to loads of minor shareholders with one or two shares.