Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

[chazzle_dazzle]

Can anyone who wants Eddie Howe in be reminded that Bournemouth have conceded 61 goals in 35 games this season with defenders who, at least on paper, aren't as good as ours.

Is he a better manager than Martinez? Probably, yes. Does that mean we should go for him? Absolutely not.

Look we have done up and coming managers, we got Moyes from the championship and we got young Martinez from a relegated team albeit thats won a cup - we don't need to do another one again. If he keeps them up next season and makes a challenge on the top 8 the season after maybe we can sit up and take notice. Nice bloke, but not the manager we need moving forward.

Right now, he is no better then Martinez.

 

[Ashtonian]

Remember, no matter what manager we bring in it means only one thing now.

YARMALENKOFF

 

[AndyC]

You need to divorce Moyes from the board mate. The reason we haven't competed in the premier league is because of Bill Kenwright and the board no one else. They were not in any way ready for the premier league and when it began we were a walking relegation time bomb likely to go off at any point.

It is my firm belief that had Moyes not been appointed we would have remained that way. We were on our way down in 02/03. All that happened in the following years were our best players getting sold every year and loan players coming in. Selling Arteta just to service a loan was criminal. Had we had a fraud like Martinez in charge we would have gone down and who knows what that would have meant given our precarious financial position. We could have been Portsmouth or Leeds.

Instead the entire house of cards was held together by one person. A manager who went out and found genuine top 6 quality time and time again for bargain basement prices. Not only did he achieve a brilliant feat of keeping us in the league as the board floggedour assets, he had us up competing for Europe and going on cup runs.

Short memories led to fans thinking that it was 1987 everything was boss then suddenly Moyes ruined everything. Absolute rubbish. As an Evertonian I will be forever grateful for David Moyes. Times are different now, the financial picture is incomparable, maybe he's not the manager we need now, but in 2003 he was THE manager we needed and single habdedly put this club back on an even footing. You only have to see how teams who when Moyes started were miles ahead of us Leeds, Villa, Newcastle even with a load of money, their pick of players and managers, have declined horrifically. At the same time some of our fans were moaning about the glass ceiling and only beating City out of the top 4.

I honestly find criticism of the majority of Moyes' time at Everton utterly embarassing. To say he 'systematically dismantled our position in the game' is absolutely erroneous. If you want a real definition of that look no further than our current manager undoing a decade of good work taking us back to the lower half of the premier league, disconnecting the fans from the players, making Goodison a laughing stock, languishing miles behind our neighbours. Just like the dark days of the first decade of premier league football. We could have been stuck with a joker like him in the exact moment that we were probably at the most vulnerable financial position in the entire history of the club. Instead we got a manager who gave us Europe on peanuts when others were spending loads, like coming fifth in a formula one race driving a clapped out mini. Yet it wasn't good enough for some was it.

Thank you David Moyes for saving Everton.

There is indeed a lot in what you say SD, Moyes did 'save' Everton from the drop and potential oblivion and he did make us respectable, tough to beat, and at times, very very good to watch.

Sadly though, DM was never quite able - for whatever reason - to get us from being a knocking-on-the-door club to being genuine contenders.

He was intrinsically defensively minded and too often, especially against the so-called "Big Four", that dourness impacted upon the performances and inevitably, the results.

He hurt himself with the "knife to a gunfight" and "glad to get out of OT alive" quotes and I believe those same quotes adversely affected the mindset of his teams.

For the majority of his reign, he did a very, very good job, but sadly when it mattered the absolute most - when on the cusp of turning the team into winners - he came up short.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Remember, no matter what manager we bring in it means only one thing now.

YARMALENKOFF

Am sound with that, i wasn't totally convinced we would be going back in for him anyways. Right player at right price at the time, contract running out and lower transfer fee required, moment he signed his new contract fee went up massively.

 

[Sentinel]

I honestly find criticism of the majority of Moyes' time at Everton utterly embarassing. To say he 'systematically dismantled our position in the game' is absolutely erroneous.

Good post mate.

I was referring to the board not Moyes in that quote though. FFS , he had 4 million to spend/year in his first four years. Moyes did far more than Kenwright ever did to keep this club going. Don't you think I recognise what he did?

I do and you're quite right to defend him, but here's were we differ. We should never have been in that position in the first place and if it wasn't for gross incompetence we wouldn't have been. As good as he was for his time, he had limitations. Which became brutally exposed at United. Now maybe he's learned, I don't know. At this stage mate. We can't take the risk.

The Everton way is an abject failure, twenty years of miasma tells us that. We need a complete overhaul that will put this club into a competitive environment. I'm sorry brother, Moyes has the smell of old houses on him.

 

[Saint Domingo]

There is indeed a lot in what you say SD, Moyes did 'save' Everton from the drop and potential oblivion and he did make us respectable, tough to beat, and at times, very very good to watch.

Sadly though, DM was never quite able - for whatever reason - to get us from being a knocking-on-the-door club to being genuine contenders.

He was intrinsically defensively minded and too often, especially against the so-called "Big Four", that dourness impacted upon the performances and inevitably, the results.

He hurt himself with the "knife to a gunfight" and "glad to get out of OT alive" quotes and I believe those same quotes adversely affected the mindset of his teams.

For the majority of his reign, he did a very, very good job, but sadly when it mattered the absolute most - when on the cusp of turning the team into winners - he came up short.

Yeah I would agree with this. But aside from perhaps the last year or two, when did he ever have the sort of platform to do what you're asking?

No one until Ranieri in prem history did what you're asking.

I think people unfairly use his time at United to gloat 'look he was rubbish even with money'. Do you think if the board had dropped 28 mill on Moyes for a striker to replace Jelavic in 2012/13 we might have been close to the top 4? What if they'd also given him 13 mill for a new midfielder, 13 mill for a backup striker, and whatever expensive loan deals he wanted? Would have been interesting to see that's for sure. I can guarantee we wouldn't have finished bottom half twice.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Good post mate.

I was referring to the board not Moyes in that quote though. FFS , he had 4 million to spend/year in his first four years. Moyes did far more than Kenwright ever did to keep this club going. Don't you think I recognise what he did?

I do and you're quite right to defend him, but here's were we differ. We should never have been in that position in the first place and if it wasn't for gross incompetence we wouldn't have been. As good as he was for his time, he had limitations. Which became brutally exposed at United. Now maybe he's learned, I don't know. At this stage mate. We can't take the risk.

The Everton way is an abject failure, twenty years of miasma tells us that. We need a complete overhaul that will put this club into a competitive environment. I'm sorry brother, Moyes has the smell of old houses on him.

Sorry for misinterpreting your post, would agree with what you've said. The architect of Everton 87 -2002 has a lot to answer for.

I don't think Moyes is the answer now. Hopefully Moshiri will change the rules of the game completely.

 

[boris]

Yeah I would agree with this. But aside from perhaps the last year or two, when did he ever have the sort of platform to do what you're asking?

No one until Ranieri in prem history did what you're asking.

I think people unfairly use his time at United to gloat 'look he was rubbish even with money'. Do you think if the board had dropped 28 mill on Moyes for a striker to replace Jelavic in 2012/13 we might have been close to the top 4? What if they'd also given him 13 mill for a new midfielder, 13 mill for a backup striker, and whatever expensive loan deals he wanted? Would have been interesting to see that's for sure. I can guarantee we wouldn't have finished bottom half twice.

It's in the cups were he came up short for me, Wigan & Reading he had great opportunities to kick on but fell short.

He also did have opportunities to spend big money but chose not to address the important striker position which is probably the 1 area on the pitch you can't resolve on the cheap. For example, the year we sold Lescott he wasted over 18 million of that money on Heitinga and Billy.

He spent 4 million wisely on Distin so Lescott's replacement was in place but he never really addressed our striker issue in all his time here. Martinez on the other hand, disposed of players and sat on his ever increasing pot in January which allowed him to back his judgement and spend the money on Lukaku a decision which was absolutely critical he got right, and he did.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Jose pellegrini de boer. If we don't get any of them Il be disappointed

No steady manager or up and coming or a safe bet one. That's going backwards

Not for Spurs it wasn't though was it? I know comparing the us to them is problematic but they arguably have the best manager in the league right now. All I'm saying is a big name will not guarantee success in the same way a not so big name will guarantee failure. Anyways I best get back to work. I'm hiding away in a back room here. If i get caught it's curtains

 

[Ashtonian]

Am sound with that, i wasn't totally convinced we would be going back in for him anyways. Right player at right price at the time, contract running out and lower transfer fee required, moment he signed his new contract fee went up massively.

So it's another one to add to the list then lol

Riquelme ....Moutinho......Yarmalenko

In that time we sign instead

MArcus Bent........Fellaini.........Niasse

You can start to see why we aren't ending up with these players lol

 

[Sentinel]

Hopefully Moshiri will change the rules of the game completely

It's funny, if we all sat round the pub, and this includes the forum at large, besides minor differences, I don't think they'd be a lot to disagree on. Things get misinterpreted on the internet or taken at face value. That's the nature of the beast. We're all blues at the end of the day and as your avatar quite rightly said, give me the company of one of us over 20 of that lot all day long.

To your quote, as Esk says, I guess it's a waiting, faith based game now. It'd be nice to think that whoever is finally in charge, we could stop talking about history and it's different interpretations and start talking about the future.

 

[bluestevon]

On a side note though, i would love nothing more than to see Cahill coming back to Everton over the next couple of seasons under a new manager and made a part of the setup - should he actually have any wish to go into the coaching side, would massively prefer that to seeing Hibbert/Osman etc in those roles

 

[bluestevon]

It's funny, if we all sat round the pub, and this includes the forum at large, besides minor differences, I don't think they'd be a lot to disagree on. Things get misinterpreted on the internet or taken at face value. That's the nature of the beast. We're all blues at the end of the day and as your avatar quite rightly said, give me the company of one of us over 20 of that lot all day long.

To your quote, as Esk says, I guess it's a waiting, faith based game now. It'd be nice to think that whoever is finally in charge, we could stop talking about history and it's different interpretations and start talking about the future.

Internet by it's very 'anonymous' nature is a divisive tool mate, polarizes peoples opinions into very black and white standpoints - opinions that in normal day to day life would be nowhere near as regimented, life is various shades of grey by and large - the internet is the polar opposite.

 

[AndyC]

It's funny, if we all sat round the pub, and this includes the forum at large, besides minor differences, I don't think they'd be a lot to disagree on. Things get misinterpreted on the internet or taken at face value. That's the nature of the beast. We're all blues at the end of the day and as your avatar quite rightly said, give me the company of one of us over 20 of that lot all day long.

To your quote, as Esk says, I guess it's a waiting, faith based game now. It'd be nice to think that whoever is finally in charge, we could stop talking about history and it's different interpretations and start talking about the future.

Boy, that would need to be a big boozer

 

[bluestevon]

Boy, that would need to be a big boozer

Esepcially so if @MoutsGoat turned up mate, need a seperate annex alone for him by all accounts