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NFL 2023 season

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Bohemian Toffee said:
Which non-playoff team is the easiest to fix and what is the fix needed?
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I assume we’re not counting teams like the Bengals who had a top QB go down injured, or the Colts who are locked into Anthony Richardson and still nearly got there.

I would say any of the AFC West teams who have one clear flaw but are pretty decent otherwise. The Raiders and Broncos need QBs and the Chargers need a coach.
 
Rook said:
Baker Mayfield played on a terrible Carolina team (tho its better than what Young had) and played terrible. Scouted the league and thought he'd have a chance w/ TBs offense and recruited the TB Front office. He's still the same player.
Baltimore's offense was a struggle@#$$ last year, and then Lamar got injured. I almost thought the Ravens gave Lamar nothing on purpose to help w/ contract negoitations. Its one reason why no one tried to sign him.
Goff was on his way out of the league, landed on a team that has been building the OL for years and hit on a WR in the draft.
Hurts/Tua/Allen were on the last chance saloon but they brought in players.

Mahomes/Herbert had the worst stats of their careers. KC is paying the bills off, Herbert has no interior OL. Don't mean they've regressed.

Defenses have caught up. Used to be when you pass on 1st-2nd down you faced 2 edge rushers and even if the edge rushers get by you can step up in the pocket. Now DTs are straight up pass rushers so you get 4 every play and there is no pocket to step up into.

Pure run stopping LBs are out of the league as well. Nose tackles/2 gap DTs, they don't exist anymore except in 4th and 1/goal line plays.
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I’m not saying the rest of the team doesn’t matter. I am saying Bryce Young is a very bad QB and that he doesn’t have an NFL level arm.

Defenses have sort of caught up, but it’s time to run the damn ball and get to under center play action. The teams that do this still move the ball.
 
The defenses have really caught up the last two years. The quick RPO throws in the flats don’t work nearly as well as they used to. The defenders are much faster to get out there and make the tackle. You either need to run the ball more, or start throwing downfield more often which comes with its own dangers.
 
Moomin said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Louis Rees-Zammit: Wales coach Warren Gatland unsure if 'freak' wing will break into NFL

Wales head coach Warren Gatland says he is unsure whether Louis Rees-Zammit will return to rugby after quitting the sport to pursue a career in American football.
www.bbc.co.uk

Will be interesting to see if he cracks it.
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Came in here to ask people who know NFL and Rugby what they thought.

Don't know enough about the intricacies NFL to know for sure. Personally shocked at this, 22 and already one of the best players in the world (in my opinion). I guess he has taken a risk out of liking the sport along with money potential, or just money potential?

I will be honest, I don't like NFL and believe that he might find it hard to adapt to being in a stop-start game. In Rugby he had to be switched on all the time, especially when he played at full back, whereas, I guess there will be a lot more sitting around/not being involved or likely to be involved.

Like the guy and hope it works out for him but he will certainly be missed in Rugby. Always looked forward to Gloucester being on the box as you had a good idea that he would come up with something amazing.
 

wandyr79 said:
Came in here to ask people who know NFL and Rugby what they thought.

Don't know enough about the intricacies NFL to know for sure. Personally shocked at this, 22 and already one of the best players in the world (in my opinion). I guess he has taken a risk out of liking the sport along with money potential, or just money potential?

I will be honest, I don't like NFL and believe that he might find it hard to adapt to being in a stop-start game. In Rugby he had to be switched on all the time, especially when he played at full back, whereas, I guess there will be a lot more sitting around/not being involved or likely to be involved.

Like the guy and hope it works out for him but he will certainly be missed in Rugby. Always looked forward to Gloucester being on the box as you had a good idea that he would come up with something amazing.
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Always believed that with say 6-12 months training on the rules and to build up their stamina, a group NFL players would crush any Rugby Union team in a rugby match. The natural physical ability is off the charts compared to the rugby guys. A guy like Derrick Henry, Mccaffrey, even Lamar would feast.
 
Kev The Rat said:
Always believed that with say 6-12 months training on the rules and to build up their stamina, a group NFL players would crush any Rugby Union team in a rugby match. The natural physical ability is off the charts compared to the rugby guys. A guy like Derrick Henry, Mccaffrey, even Lamar would feast.
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I think that is a stretch. The technical ability within the rules of rugby, especially in the pack would be difficult. I am not saying there would not be players who would be decent enough because there are just some people who naturally excel at whatever they put their mind to, but generally I think there is a higher chance of failure, if you are really saying ANY team.

Rugby League players find it extremely difficult to come over to Union and they already have that stamina and the basics of a fast paced rugby game.

It would certainly be interesting, as I am not as confident that there is a difference in physical attributes. Added to that every single player needs to be up on all aspects of Rugby, they all touch the ball. Handling, etc. needs to be sharp for all positions. Over the weekend there was also a couple of examples of second/back row players performing top class kicks. There is a more all round technical aspect to rugby players that you may not get in most NFL players.
 
Kev The Rat said:
Always believed that with say 6-12 months training on the rules and to build up their stamina, a group NFL players would crush any Rugby Union team in a rugby match. The natural physical ability is off the charts compared to the rugby guys. A guy like Derrick Henry, Mccaffrey, even Lamar would feast.
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They wouldn't be able to reach the stamina levels in 12 months and they would not even know where the ball was when they played a top team.

If an NFL team tried to play ANY rugby union team in rugby union in 6 - 12 months they would be annihilated.
 

wandyr79 said:
I think that is a stretch. The technical ability within the rules of rugby, especially in the pack would be difficult. I am not saying there would not be players who would be decent enough because there are just some people who naturally excel at whatever they put their mind to, but generally I think there is a higher chance of failure, if you are really saying ANY team.

Rugby League players find it extremely difficult to come over to Union and they already have that stamina and the basics of a fast paced rugby game.

It would certainly be interesting, as I am not as confident that there is a difference in physical attributes. Added to that every single player needs to be up on all aspects of Rugby, they all touch the ball. Handling, etc. needs to be sharp for all positions. Over the weekend there was also a couple of examples of second/back row players performing top class kicks. There is a more all round technical aspect to rugby players that you may not get in most NFL players.
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My statement on superior physical attributes stems from the evidence gleaned from the world of track and field athletics where the Americans dominate, and typically come from the same collegiate background that NFL players do
 
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Walken said:
They wouldn't be able to reach the stamina levels in 12 months and they would not even know where the ball was when they played a top team.

If an NFL team tried to play ANY rugby union team in rugby union in 6 - 12 months they would be annihilated.
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Some wild comments there, and that is obviously what you hope to be the case, but you are unlikely to be correct
 
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Kev The Rat said:
Some wild comments there, and that is obviously what you hope to be the case, but you are unlikely to be correct
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Your assertion that a group could pick up a sport in 6 months and beat the best team in the world is possibly the most laughable you've made, and the competition is very very high.

The sheer level of repetitions that goes into becoming an elite competitor in a particular sport is astonishing, its take an entire childhood to build, then has to be refined further, then has to be trained into a team sport with team tactics and gameplans.

For an athletically talented individual to come in and be part of a team, extremely tough but perhaps possible in a particular role with the help of team mates. For an individual sport that doesn't involve interaction with an opponent or team mates, difficult but possible. For an entire team to do so in 6 months in the modern era in any team sport... fantastically insane statement.
 
Walken said:
Your assertion that a group could pick up a sport in 6 months and beat the best team in the world is possibly the most laughable you've made, and the competition is very very high.

The sheer level of repetitions that goes into becoming an elite competitor in a particular sport is astonishing, its take an entire childhood to build, then has to be refined further, then has to be trained into a team sport with team tactics and gameplans.

For an athletically talented individual to come in and be part of a team, extremely tough but perhaps possible in a particular role with the help of team mates. For an individual sport that doesn't involve interaction with an opponent or team mates, difficult but possible. For an entire team to do so in 6 months in the modern era in any team sport... fantastically insane statement.
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This New Zealand journalist does not agree

Rugby is a primitive game with limited skills needed

thespinoff.co.nz

Of course NFL players would dominate world rugby

An ESPN writer caused an uproar when he suggested America would be the best at rugby if they tried. Madeleine Chapman agrees.
thespinoff.co.nz
 
Kev The Rat said:
This New Zealand journalist does not agree

Rugby is a primitive game with limited skills needed

thespinoff.co.nz

Of course NFL players would dominate world rugby

An ESPN writer caused an uproar when he suggested America would be the best at rugby if they tried. Madeleine Chapman agrees.
thespinoff.co.nz
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A pretty poor article, but I certainly don't disagree that NFL players are on another level athletically and also tactically, I think the scots fella who coached the brotherly shove said similar and he has coaching eperience in both sports.

What the article doesn't say is what you said, that in 6 months of training a group of NFL players could beat any rugby team in the world. No group of players could beat the best team in the world in a sport they have never played in 6 months. If the states threw their weight behind rugby and resources into with their college system and a few patriotic deep fried eagles on posters I'm sure they would become a force, but that is a lifetime of work.

You are being very silly indeed.
 

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