Not A Transfer Rumour..... Wayne Rooney

[Marky Andrews]

What now for Wayne Rooney and Manchester United?

Wayne Rooney

Rooney blasts booing England fans

The date Tuesday 19 October 2010 will be long remembered at Old Trafford as the day Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson dropped the bombshell that star striker Wayne Rooney wanted to leave the club.
The 24-year-old England forward has helped United to three league titles and a European Cup since joining from Everton in 2004, but now he looks like he will be playing his football elsewhere in the future.
Speculation is now in overdrive: Where will Rooney go? When will Rooney go? What will happen to United?
We look at some of the key questions.
WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
Rooney's current deal finishes at the end of the 2011/2012 season.
The next transfer window is in January and the likely outcome, as things stand, is that the striker will leave then - an option which is likely to suit both parties, with United getting the biggest fee they can from the sale and Rooney leaving at the earliest opportunity.
This would also benefit Everton, who have a 25% sell-on clause of any future transfer fee above the £27m the Toffees sold him for. So if United sell Rooney for £57m then Everton will get 25% of £30m.

However, Rooney could also stay at United until the summer of 2011 and then buy out the remainder of his contract - for Rooney that is about £5m plus a small compensation fee - which he is entitled to do so under the Webster ruling.
Article 17 of Fifa's Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players states that a player who signed a contract before the age of 28 can buy himself out three years after the deal was signed.
According to The Independent newspaper the striker has the right to invoke Article 17, but members of the European Club Association, which includes all the big sides, apparently have an unwritten agreement that they will not exploit the Webster Ruling.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9107905.stm

 

[andybaker]

isnt this just what we always made everton players do? keep rejecting bids and force the player to hand in a transfer request?

Why cant they/moyes just accept a bid and have the balls to say 'we dont want you, its best for the club if you go?'

Hate the way we do that to the players when we all know were gonna sell them, try and turn the fans against the players is pathetic imo

 

[arminisgod]

oh dear. Moyes and woodward are looking miles out of their depth here.

Already made chelsea and Jose an enemy

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

isnt this just what we always made everton players do? keep rejecting bids and force the player to hand in a transfer request?

Why cant they/moyes just accept a bid and have the balls to say 'we dont want you, its best for the club if you go?'

Hate the way we do that to the players when we all know were gonna sell them, try and turn the fans against the players is pathetic imo

It's got less to do with the fans & more to do with multi £m 'loyalty' bonuses.

If a player doesn't request a move & his club decide to accept an offer for him, then most top players have clauses in their contracts that entitle them to be be paid the annual 'loyalty' bonuses that were agreed as part of their signing on fee. In Rooney's case these are likely to be big numbers......

 

[njligernj]

Absolutely cringing at the "come home Wayne" tweets on Twitter.

Yeah they really bring down the usual high-brow quality of football tweets.

first i would love to have him back BUT if some one told you they could get your old job back, one that you liked but you would half to take a 60% pay cut, would you?

This point crops up all the time and it baffles me every single time. People take less money "in real life" quite frequently: they prefer one area to another so they'd rather live in one place and make less than living somewhere they dislike and make more; people take early retirements when they could continue working; people quit "rat race" jobs to pursue a more rewarding career; hell there are even lawyers -- lawyers! -- who practice in less lucrative areas of law because they think it's the right thing to do. I could go on and on and on. I personally know at least three people (and I don't know a lot of people -- that's like half the people I know) who could be making way more than they make now but made a decision (based on what would make them happier) to take less money. We aren't Ferengis (Star Trek!).

Now ... granted there is also a lot of greed in the world and greedy people and Wayne may be one of them. But the logic that *nobody* would take less money for a job they might like more is just way off the mark. Just look at our very own squad.

 

[D410]

Does the sell on % to us still exist or not?

It,s is 25% of anthing over a sale of 27m -> Nada for us if he goes for 25m

I.ll bet Utd want a cash only deal to get Ronaldo

 

[andybaker]

It's got less to do with the fans & more to do with multi £m 'loyalty' bonuses.

If a player doesn't request a move & his club decide to accept an offer for him, then most top players have clauses in their contracts that entitle them to be be paid the annual 'loyalty' bonuses that were agreed as part of their signing on fee. In Rooney's case these are likely to be big numbers......

Fair does, id forgotten that tbh your spot on! In reality though, the player themselves would probs just have that negotiated in the signing on fee? I know what you mean though, it saves the selling fee having to pay it.

Rooney aint coming back, for all id love him to, he just aint gonna turn down about £25M over his next contract just to come back to us im afraid.

I wouldnt tbh, no one would, its not roy of the rovers

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

*buys Rooney 18 home shirt

 

[davek]

He'll probably go for about £35M and we'll get a couple of million...it'll be treated like the compo money we never got off United for Moyes.

 

[Khalekan]

I might, if I'd already made so much money I couldn't spend it in 3 lifetimes, and wanted to finish my career doing something I *enjoyed* rather than just doing something to make the most money possible.

Not saying he will come back, but it's not NECESSARILY as cut and dried as that post of your makes out.

I agree with this.

If a fellow takes a wage cut from, say, £1000 per week to £300 then his lifestyle will collapse around him.

No one would willingly do that.

But what can a bloke being paid £200,000 per week do that one earning £100,000 a week can't?

Precious little.

Rooney must be a millionaire many times over by now.

He has won all the top honours in the club game.

I would imagine returning to Everton and winning a medal with us must still appeal to him.

Whilst it is unlikely to happen right now, I don't think the idea of Wayne returning home is as fanciful as many believe.

 

[andybaker]

pretty sure he will come 'home' one day

just dont think he will actually be able to make a genuine difference when he actually does

32/33 - too late to win us trophies which is a shame but probs what will happen

 

[Librarian]

Send Rooney to Chelsea with a point to prove, and he'll prove it.
UTD must be praying for PSG to come in with a bid here

 

[njligernj]

I think it's implausible from the standpoint of knowing the history of our board; I do not think it's implausible in a business/competitive sense for us to try to sign Wayne Rooney. Here is why ...

There is no player of Wayne's talent in the entire world who would ever even entertain the idea of playing for us in his prime (in our current state) ... aside from maybe Wayne ... and Bainesy . Does 20-30m and 120-150k a week seem plausible (to get him -- I realize it's not remotely plausible for us to have that) if Wayne himself wanted to force it through?

(Purely hypothetical ... I'll take the snide "it'll never happen mate you are living in a dream world" comments as read thanks ... we really don't need to hear it for the 100th time.)

I have no idea what our bank relationship is like (but if I had to guess I'd say horrendous) and I am certainly well aware our board of pauper millionaires and broke billionaires likely won't be willing to put a tiny fraction of their net worth into the single greatest opportunity for progress Everton may ever have in the modern era. For the initial transfer we're probably talking about roughly the same amount of money they failed to "ring fence" for KD (the previous single greatest opportunity for progress we ever have in the modern era) so the idea they would fail again is not remotely hard to believe.

I think he'd pay for a great deal of himself with our added profile, more frequent TV appearances, and hopefully better results in Cups and the league. Hopefully at least enough to get his "adjusted cost" down to the same level as an average high profile Everton player. I know the Kitbag deal isn't great and our stadium is bad and blah blah but there is no way even our management team could not find a way to monetize Wayne Rooney playing for Everton again to some extent. Get a Kickstarter going FFS!

All moot if he isn't into it (but for some reason I find it hard to believe he wouldn't consider it) of course but I think you could make a solid business case for pursuing Wayne. We should try. If we fail ... who cares. If we get him and it doesn't work ... well at least they tried. Not trying is worse.

In a weird way his signing is not that dissimilar to our typical "value" signings in that we are exploiting a certain situation to gain a player for less than their true value to the team. Granted it's on a much larger scale than we typically consider but it's the same principle.

If we have even a 1% chance of pulling it off we should give it a shot because it might be the best chance we have of shaking things up a little. Worst case we give it two years and if we haven't made any progress he'd have some value if we were forced to sell. I think it's a logical gamble in the sense that this is the only chance we have to buy this ticket -- we can't do this trick with Bale or RVP or some other elite talent. This is our only angle.

NSNO and all ...

 

[Bungle]

I think it's implausible from the standpoint of knowing the history of our board; I do not think it's implausible in a business/competitive sense for us to try to sign Wayne Rooney. Here is why ...

There is no player of Wayne's talent in the entire world who would ever even entertain the idea of playing for us in his prime (in our current state) ... aside from maybe Wayne ... and Bainesy . Does 20-30m and 120-150k a week seem plausible (to get him -- I realize it's not remotely plausible for us to have that) if Wayne himself wanted to force it through?

(Purely hypothetical ... I'll take the snide "it'll never happen mate you are living in a dream world" comments as read thanks ... we really don't need to hear it for the 100th time.)

I have no idea what our bank relationship is like (but if I had to guess I'd say horrendous) and I am certainly well aware our board of pauper millionaires and broke billionaires likely won't be willing to put a tiny fraction of their net worth into the single greatest opportunity for progress Everton may ever have in the modern era. For the initial transfer we're probably talking about roughly the same amount of money they failed to "ring fence" for KD (the previous single greatest opportunity for progress we ever have in the modern era) so the idea they would fail again is not remotely hard to believe.

I think he'd pay for a great deal of himself with our added profile, more frequent TV appearances, and hopefully better results in Cups and the league. Hopefully at least enough to get his "adjusted cost" down to the same level as an average high profile Everton player. I know the Kitbag deal isn't great and our stadium is bad and blah blah but there is no way even our management team could not find a way to monetize Wayne Rooney playing for Everton again to some extent.

All moot if he isn't into it (but for some reason I find it hard to believe he wouldn't consider it) of course but I think you could make a solid business case for pursuing Wayne. We should try. If we fail ... who cares. If we get him and it doesn't work ... well at least they tried. Not trying is worse.

In a weird way his signing is not that dissimilar to our typical "value" signings in that we are exploiting a certain situation to gain a player for less than their true value to the team. Granted it's on a much larger scale than we typically consider but it's the same principle.

If we have even a 1% chance of pulling it off we should give it a shot because it might be the best chance we have of shaking things up a little. Worst case we give it two years and if we haven't made any progress he'd have some value if we were forced to sell. I think it's a logical gamble in the sense that this is the only chance we have to buy this ticket -- we can't do this trick with Bale or RVP or some other elite talent. This is our only angle.

NSNO and all ...

Thanks

 

[when i score we riot]

We couldn't break the wage structure that badly just to sign Rooney... It's implausible enough as it is.