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Obama or McCain?

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I've skimmed this thread and seems like I missed a good one. It covers a fair few things! Evolution, abortion, euthansia etc (this is an Everton forum right ;) ).

Anyway to get back on topic.
At the risk of the wrath of the left:

If I only had 143 days of experience, would you hire me to fix your car?

Would you hire me to run your company?

If I only had 143 days experience, would you hire me to run the Country?

Why not. It means he hasn't had the time to be coerced, backed in to a corner, be pressurised and all the other trimmings that come with weaseling around in US politics. It gives him a clean slate. No allegiences he has to hold true once he gets to power, no back scratching that he has to reciprocate etc.
I mean if you think about it, what does the President actually do. He makes decisions. Based on what exactly? 143 days in office!? Nope. Try his 47 years of being a human being and all the experiences that comes with.

McCain by contrast is completely the opposite end of the scale. Entrenched in old boy networks and political 'partnerships', favour and debt. He IS the old hand of the US political system and all the bad things it signifies(from my perspective). I've seen interviews by this guy and I've not been convinced at all. He's not an idiot by any means, but he is not a president either.

In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military
service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem
more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his
stride.

Think about it! A great many people in this Country have obviously gone
stark raving mad!

26 years in congress buys you a lot of owed favours and backhand deals that will get called in. Lot's of enemies along the way. I bet he has seen a lot of history made before his eyes, but I bet it wasn't all good along the way. Too scarred in my opinion. Too stale.

Who the hell would want a military mind at the helm of the biggest nuclear arsenal in the universe anyway. Much less a damaged individual that has been in captivity by a one time enemy of the country he is now trying to become the leader of and the scars that come with being a POW!

71 years old. That to me is not a good thing, no matter what spin you put on it. I wouldn't trust him driving a car to the corner shop let alone run a country sporting nuclear capability. *excuse me whilst I finish my belly laugh at that prospect :D*

Anyway. I'm not bigging Obama up too much. I don't think he is the complete package. I do think he could become what he aspires and promises to be though given time and the chance to do it.
For me, if I was an American, I think that would be enough. The last few presidents have been largely redneck hick idiots that were covered in surface thin gloss that when scratched revealed what incompetent ignorant fools they were.

Obama just seems different. He seems more promising. More Kennedy-esq to be honest. McCain just seems more of the same, and that is no good thing.

My 2p Dylan :)
 
The fact is, I didn't want McCain as the Republican nominee. However, I do not want to see an exteme, left of the left Barak Obama to get it. McCain is actually quite middle of the road on many issues, Bush was heavily right, but Obama couldn't be any more in left field!
 
The fact is, I didn't want McCain as the Republican nominee. However, I do not want to see an exteme, left of the left Barak Obama to get it. McCain is actually quite middle of the road on many issues, Bush was heavily right, but Obama couldn't be any more in left field!

I agree. I think the Republicans made the wrong choice too, but given the neurotic alternative you can see their reasoning!

McCain is not *really* middle of the road I don't think. He is just groomed in politics to go for the biggest market share. If he gets in, give him a year and then his true colours will show through. I can see him actually being quite a heavy handed type of guy. He could do some positive things with the justice system alone but for the more sensitive issues that require finesse I just don't buy that he could do it. I think he would end up creating more issues than he'd resolve. Think Bush but without the *gulp* charisma :)

Obama may be quite left, but his track record of projects that he has delivered in previous jobs gives another view of what he is about. I think people can see that he has put in the hours where they are needed and in sometimes pretty crappy places and got results.
It's hard to get an unbiased background of either person now and their political speeches are mostly spin in the run up and easy to get carried away with, but Obama still swings it for me for many reasons. If it was based on merit of achievements in their history, (given the huge age differences) I'd still punt for Obama everytime.
 
The fact is, I didn't want McCain as the Republican nominee. However, I do not want to see an exteme, left of the left Barak Obama to get it. McCain is actually quite middle of the road on many issues, Bush was heavily right, but Obama couldn't be any more in left field!

I suppose the cultural differences between the USA and Europe shine through. By our standards, Obama is a centre-left democrat, similar to the new breed of professional politician in the British Labour party. I don't think you've anything to fear from that type of politics other than it being slick, wishy-washy and afraid to say "boo" on occasion.
 


Obama is winning in every state isnt he? But only by like 2-10% in the pollls - i really know nothing about this so tell me, who is better? What will each do to help America? Which ones will wage war against the world?
 
Is it just me or has anyone noticed that from the news, any interviews regarding the election with Black people in America always randomly mention the fact that Obama is Black?

Literally ALWAYS. Even when they do mention policies they always start with "And not just because he's Black...' almost feeling the need to justify themselves. I just hope the race issue doesn't cloud judgement.
 
Last nite on the news, the journalist was speaking to a group of Black women.

Jokingly (with the women all wearing pro Obaba stuff etc) he asks;

"So who are you voting for?"
"Obama"
"Why"
"Well, hes Black and he'll signal a new era, who would have thought one day a Black president?, He epitimises the belief that anyone in America can grow up to be President etc etc"

Boggles the mind as to how a persons race can dictate some peoples vote.
 
Is it just me or has anyone noticed that from the news, any interviews regarding the election with Black people in America always randomly mention the fact that Obama is Black?

Literally ALWAYS. Even when they do mention policies they always start with "And not just because he's Black...' almost feeling the need to justify themselves. I just hope the race issue doesn't cloud judgement.

Seems its still a big problem mate. Still its Obama for me. The US need a younger man in there forget his colour. He should relate to a wider audience because of his age. Afterall isnt McCain in his 70's? Thats way to old to run the Thunderbirds.
 
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