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Obama or McCain?

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ToffeeDan said:
Now, let me see. Visionary or Mysogynist. I think 4 more years of disastrous Republican Presidency will be awful for the US, awful for the rest of the world. At least voting someone into the White House who actually gives a [Poor language removed] about the 60m+ Americans who live below the poverty line might be a good start.
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Hey mate, you make it sound like the last four years of a Republican Presidency were a disaster.

And please continue to parrot the liberal view that Republicans don't care about poverty.

Those eeeeeeevil Republicans.

Muwhahahahaha....World Domination will soon be ours.

One thing I've learned over the last 3 presidential elections in the United States:

How much a candidate is liked by Europeans is negatively correlated to how good a US President they'd make. Al Gore first. Then John Kerry. Now Barack Obama.

Yep, you Europeans can sure pick 'em.

Thank goodness you don't get a vote. (y)
 
As far as im concerned its make no difference at all. Neither will have any say whatsoever, they are just puppets for the money power that rules the u.s.
 
Nebbiolo said:
(y) he's the new JFK :lol:

But seriously, I agree and am expecting Obama to make a better job of it than the current president.
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He'd be a disaster.

Simple really.

Has no experience whatsoever. None.

When I hear a candidate say that they'd "negotiate" with countries that support terrorism or that they'd use "diplomacy" to deal with countries like Iran, North Korea, etc., it makes me laugh.

Hey Obama, where you been for the last 30 years?

Oh yeah, gaining all that necessary experience to run our country. :dodgy:

But hey, he'd be breath of fresh air right? Mr. Hopey McChangey indeed.
 
TX Bill said:
1) Darwinism is theory. Strictly that. There is no factual evidence of evolution. I'd rather neither be taught in the classroom to be frank.

2) Global Warming is a hoax of the highest order. For every "expert" in weather and science that has said that it's an issue, I can find one that says it's a fraud and a scare tactic used on people. I'm not going to debate the merits of Global Warming simply because there aren't any.

But if you'd like, I'm confident that you and I can pull up all sorts of data off the internet to support our positions. (y)
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There is factual evidence of evolution, Bill. Try looking at the fossil record which records gradual change in beings over millions of years. The best denial that this was evidence I heard from a creationist was that God had put that there to make it appear as though there was a distant past (barmy, I know) And if you don't want evolution taught, then you're denying the next generation a firm grip on where its members come from.

Global warming is unlikely to be a con. It might be, but then it might be a con that man was on the moon. There might be an almighty conspiracy, probably invented by shape-changing lizards, which aims to get us poor saps to believe all sorts of crap.

I'm also confident that we could both spend weeks trawling the web for data on these positions. I'm equally confident that my data would be more convincing than yours. I don't mean that to sound arrogant, mate. It wasn't me that researched the fields that I'm promoting.

But big thumbs up because I hate disagreeing with you (y)
 

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

As some one so wisely pointed out on a thread a long long time ago, no one's gonna change someone's mind on positions such as these.

I wonder if that's why they tell you not to talk politics or religion at family functions? :lol:
 
I know a whole lot more about American Politics than I care to discuss here!

I shudder at the thought of another failure in the White House. Obama is the better choice IMHO. That's all I want to say on the matter after your volley.

All the best! (y)

TD
 
You know what TD, at this very moment, about half of our country agrees with you. (y)

I'll say this.

Don't be surprised if it happens but we could have another situation where Obama wins the popular vote but McCain wins the Electoral College vote like we did with Gore/Bush eight years ago. Obama wins more votes yet McCain ends up in the White House.

I could really see that happening.

(Since that scenario would undoubtedly leave a bad taste in the mouth of many of you, I'd advise that you read up on the Electoral College before cracking on it. I've got to say that our founding fathers were rather smart when setting up our country 200 years ago.)
 
TX Bill said:
Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

As some one so wisely pointed out on a thread a long long time ago, no one's gonna change someone's mind on positions such as these.

I wonder if that's why they tell you not to talk politics or religion at family functions? :lol:
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It's the kiss of death, mate. Especially when it's with the in-laws. Been there, done that. Fallen out. Got in trouble with the wife. We all get on so well now that we stick to the nice things in life. :lol:
 
Did I mention that one of my favorite presidential campaign slogans was by perrenial candidate (and comedian) Pat Paulson. In short, he said:

"I've upped my standards, now up yours !!"

:lol:
 

TX Bill said:
You know what TD, at this very moment, about half of our country agrees with you. (y)

I'll say this.

Don't be surprised if it happens but we could have another situation where Obama wins the popular vote but McCain wins the Electoral College vote like we did with Gore/Bush eight years ago. Obama wins more votes yet McCain ends up in the White House.

I could really see that happening.

(Since that scenario would undoubtedly leave a bad taste in the mouth of many of you, I'd advise that you read up on the Electoral College before cracking on it. I've got to say that our founding fathers were rather smart when setting up our country 200 years ago.)
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I won't be surprised in the least - it wouldn't be the first time. Worth reading Theodore H White's accounts of the older elections and remembering that the vote in 1960 was somewhat close*, was it not? Camelot/JFK ~ NewLabour/Blair!!

It wouldn't be a bad thing if the country united instead of being divisive and it coming down to the vote in Florida/Illinois/California/New York (Clinton factor?) or whereever - and it wouldn't be a bad start if the electoral rules were the same in each state for a National Election (Chads anyone?) - we shall see - not long now.


*Kennedy 22 states 303 votes 49.7%
Nixon 26 states 219 votes 49.6%

TD
 
i recall some people not allowed to vote in florida (i think ->) 4 years ago. didnt they all have something in common?
 
ToffeeDan said:
I won't be surprised in the least - it wouldn't be the first time. Worth reading Theodore H White's accounts of the older elections and remembering that the vote in 1960 was somewhat close*, was it not? Camelot/JFK ~ NewLabour/Blair!!

It wouldn't be a bad thing if the country united instead of being divisive and it coming down to the vote in Florida/Illinois/California/New York (Clinton factor?) or whereever - and it wouldn't be a bad start if the electoral rules were the same in each state for a National Election (Chads anyone?) - we shall see - not long now.


*Kennedy 22 states 303 votes 49.7%
Nixon 26 states 219 votes 49.6%

TD
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How can you have different rules in different states?I'm no expert but it seems bizarre I understand the guy with the most votes not getting in we can get that here but surely legislation should be the same in all states
 

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