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Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah I am backing away from this debate.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
What a bonkers argument?
You can't conflate Kenwright and Sir John Moores into some kind of combined lament to the past. That is twisted revisionism in the extreme. These are completely different characters who had completely different approaches and levels of success. John Moores underwrote the spending that helped generate the great successes of the sixties, upto and including 1970. It might not have quite been the bankrolling of clubs that we see today, but we weren't known as the Mersey millionaires for nothing, and I don't think Evertonians regret the successes that were achieved as a result one bit. Moores was about to embark on the complete remodelling of Goodison, starting with the mainstand, but success on the pitch for us and attendances in football generally begain to decline, halting that progress. He also wasn't getting any younger, but regardless we still regularly held transfer records right through the 70s and could compete with any club for new signings. He was also still involved in the 80s and the flurry of successes achieved at the end of his life.
Those Liverpool fans you mention may well wish for that simpler past when they won everything, every year and they could easily get in.... if they'd not given up their season tickets when they had their first lean spell in the 90s, they'd still be able to get in now. The glory hunters moved in when they lost interest. That said, I'm sure they're all still enjoying their bragging rights that recent successes have given them. I know quite a few City fans, I've never met any who want a return to the Swales era or the more recent 3rd tier football exploits. They also have no problem attending in their new bigger stadium..... and can barely fill it. However that will come with time and more success.
The inverted snobbery of the dedicated underdog only holds so much water and can only lead to terminal decline of the underachiever in any 2 team city. From the beginning of the Premier League, we've gone from top table movers and shakers to make-weight also-rans. The natural trajectory of that process is obscurity or our eventual demise. When I was at school (1969-83), it was roughly 50:50 blues to reds. A mate of mine has been involved in football training in schools and kid's leagues for decades. He says he often purposely does a shirt count at his sessions and it's anything from 3 or 6 to 1 reds on average nowadays, and has only been getting worse. That is unsustainable in any business model.
This has mainly happened during Kenwright's tenure, which could not be a more different scenario to that of Moores era. The resultant effects and change in status of our club could not be more stark. He first appeared on the board after that succesful period of the 80s, and he has been the common denominator from then to the present. He was been involved or at the helm throughout our slow "managed decline". He connived behind the scenes to oust Johnson (rightly or wrongly), eventually using other people's money to gain control and then later turned bandit on them to maintain that control, losing Kings Dock in the process. He used other people's cash to pay off his old friends who had lost their usefulness..... and nearly packed us off to Kirkby at the behest of his new retail pals. God only knows who eventually paid off those silent (retail-owning) partners and "friends of Everton football club".... but in the process Kenwright mysteriously managed to acquire the rest of the shares, despite their value seemingly being far in excess of his own personal wealth? Coincidentally, all achieved over a period when football was for the first time awash with tv money..... yet we had a zero net spend for almost a decade and had comfortably the lowest outlay to improve our stadium of all clubs? The Samuelson/FSF lies, the loss of AGMs and the endless littany of lies that litter that period and the destination Kirkby debacle are all in no way comparable to the Sir John Moore years and legacy..... The charlatan really shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath!
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AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
Thankfully someone else has corrected the ludicrous comparison of Moores and BK.
Thank you sir
Thank you sir
I'll take you at face value;
He has engineered or allowed many, many failures, coque-ups, fiddles, failures, etc.
Any 1 of which would've resulted in the sack in the real business world.
If he told me it was Wednesday I'd check to see if it wasnt Tuesday or Thursday
Binned off the Arabs who then bought City, because he wanted to still be chairman....allegedly
Wrecked the Kings Dock ground move on the rocks of his own pride.
Tried to move the Club out of the City to a bog standard Tescodome, told lie after lie...real whoppers too...to justify it.
All this and much more besides.
His 'means to and end' comments about lying to us all over the Fortress Sports Fund tells you everything you need to know about this charlatan putting his own needs before the club and holding us back for most of his 30 odd years on the board.
Back in 2005 we were still looking at moving into the King's Dock and Everton needed to find an extra 30m of investment to secure planning permission for the project. Kenwright's partner at the club at the time was Paul Gregg and he offered up guarantees for the money but understandably wanted more control in return.
Cue an almighty BK v PG power struggle, with the Rooney transfer and an abject summer transfer window in the background. Then out of nowhere BK pops up with his Fortress Sports Fund announcement promising the money to build the stadium and invest in the team. BK gets the fans on his side and PG sells up and moves onto pastures new.
Little more than 12 months later the FSF promises one by one turn to [Poor language removed] and a few months further down the line people are questioning whether it really ever existed at all
A group of blues interview BK in one of his friendly fireside chats and they secretly tape the conversation. During which BK jokingly claims the FSF was a 'means to an end', in other words he openly lied to all of us just to maintain control of his trainset
Now that is all a matter of recorded FACT, so even if you find rumours he also turned down investment from the Middle East, an NTL 10% buy in in the early 90s when they were also investing in a lot of other top clubs and the Grantchesters (heirs to the the John Moore's fortune that had backed Everton throughout the 60, 70s and 80s) turning their backs on the club because of BK difficult to swallow then that is still enough evidence to show this man is the biggest danger to our club in its entire 143 year history.
I personally would not be surprised if it one day transpired that BK was also the reason behind Peter Johnson's much publicised disinvestment and quick exit from the club in the late 90s too.
Back in 2005 we were still looking at moving into the King's Dock and Everton needed to find an extra 30m of investment to secure planning permission for the project. Kenwright's partner at the club at the time was Paul Gregg and he offered up guarantees for the money but understandably wanted more control in return.
Cue an almighty BK v PG power struggle, with the Rooney transfer and an abject summer transfer window in the background. Then out of nowhere BK pops up with his Fortress Sports Fund announcement promising the money to build the stadium and invest in the team. BK gets the fans on his side and PG sells up and moves onto pastures new.
Little more than 12 months later the FSF promises one by one turn to [Poor language removed] and a few months further down the line people are questioning whether it really ever existed at all
A group of blues interview BK in one of his friendly fireside chats and they secretly tape the conversation. During which BK jokingly claims the FSF was a 'means to an end', in other words he openly lied to all of us just to maintain control of his trainset
Now that is all a matter of recorded FACT, so even if you find rumours he also turned down investment from the Middle East, an NTL 10% buy in in the early 90s when they were also investing in a lot of other top clubs and the Grantchesters (heirs to the the John Moore's fortune that had backed Everton throughout the 60, 70s and 80s) turning their backs on the club because of BK difficult to swallow then that is still enough evidence to show this man is the biggest danger to our club in its entire 143 year history.
I personally would not be surprised if it one day transpired that BK was also the reason behind Peter Johnson's much publicised disinvestment and quick exit from the club in the late 90s too.
You are actually accusing Evertonians of being fickle fans only in it for the trophies? Do I even needs to point out to you the massive hole in that statement?
All correct, think the Kings Dock was much earlier than 2005 though wasn’t it?
Anyway Paul Gregg who is an actual business man and quite successful with his wife was willing to pump the money in to get the ground under way. Obviously for that he wanted control. This being Kenwright majority shareholding. Only fair if you’re pumping millions into the club.
Blue Bill obviously refused and Gregg subsequently realised it was pointless being here so sold up and left.
I remember at the time Gregg talking about the new stadium at the Kings Dock. I’m not sure of his business back ground other that he worked alongside his wife, possibly something in the entertainment industry or the like. Anyway what is interesting was Gregg was quite ahead of his time in terms of what a new stadium could bring.
He wanted it to be used not just for football but for other ventures, concerts and that sort of thing. All this to maximise revenues for the club and him self of course. But nevertheless this would still make the club more money. This was at a time when football stadiums where just football stadiums, not like you see now with Spurs and the NFL. All about having business savy people in the right place to see the opportunities to make money. Gregg had this foresight but Bill chased him.
And we have been stuck with Bill and been one of the worst commercial performs in the the league.
It just seems to me that throughout BKs time we as fans have been fed the line that other Directors were only in it for the money and that Blue Bill was the only one looking out for the club and the fans. Johnson, Gregg, I bet he even had plans to eventually go against Moshiri in another battle for the hearts and minds of Evertonians.
That we fell for this once, given his theatrical background and penchant for selling drama is understandable, twice is unnerving, three or more times is shameful on all of us. The man shouldn't just walk, he should be matched down Goodison Road with head shaven and the word 'liar' tattooed across his forehead,
StreetEndBlue
Player Valuation: £10m
The move to Kings Dock collapsed in April 2003.
tommytowne
Player Valuation: £50m
And yet Bill still proclaims that he is a shining light insofar as other clubs ask "now what would the Everton board do?"
lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
Kenwright is a dinosaur clutching on to his toy
A meddler who never knows when to bow out
A meddler who never knows when to bow out
GoodisonRoadSupperBarWool
Player Valuation: £8m
Sorry one I forgot . Him given people who support him to say the line” well he saved us from johnson”
Any “success” the club have had under his dictatorship was bulit on the Moyes years. If that’s classed as success.
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